badass7

Well, I'm now getting more smoke........tons of white blueish smoke with burning oil scent.........mmmmm tasty. At first thought it was my turbos at 105k miles stockers bound to be shot.........right ? Well, I undid all my piping and found no significant amt. of oil in there. Then I ran the car for a few blocks with the top IC piping completely disconnected thus eliminating any chance of oil blowby to reach the intake man. SOooooooooooooo.....that leaves two things.....Really messed up OMP dumping oil.........or another shitty assembly of an engine by Hayes Rotary. Gawd........I hate to even type that name. From speaking to a very knowledgeable engine builder he seems to think that since there was no smoke immediately upon start up of the freshly installed motor that it could be caused by the use of old springs that hold the oil seal in place on the rotor. I am getting oil coating on my front lower plug and the rest are covered in black sutt. Again......tons of white Blue smoke that covers up my neighbors house. I'm about to have the motor torn out and sent away to someone else and have them see what's inside the Hayes box of poo. BTW, this motor is a warranty job done by Hayes. It actually looks really nice. Fully polished housings, nice stage 2 street porting and rotors appeared to have been heat coated. Can't believe they would waste the time polishing the housings to put together a pos engine. We'll know whats really in there soon enough......................

badass7

BTW, anyone think it could be the Oil metering pump ? It's a long shot....but just maybe ?? Hmmmmmm....well since it didn't smoke like this for the first couple of hours after just starting the newly installed engine I doubt its the OMP.

badass7

Here's a pic of my pain.....

poss

iTrader: (5)

it could be the seals on the exhaust side of the turbos. mine smoked pretty much how you described. rebuilt the turbos and we're good to go.

badass7

hmmmmmmm...............So they can leak on the exhaust side ? I do not see any external leakage.......did you ? Also, were your plugs covered in oil ? Thanks.

badass7

poss

iTrader: (5)

just re-read your original post. i missed the part about the plugs. no, mine were not oily.

but anyway, yes, the turbos can leak out of the exhaust side.

Bucrx7

There's a customer coming to the shop to get his HAYES motor rehauled because it's smoking after 5000 miles. You're not the only one experiencing the problem.

badass7

Hey Buc, let me know what you guys find with that engine. ISUposs, was there any clear external leak when your turbos were leaking onthe exhaust side ? I've read and seen pics. of people having oil actually drip down their midpipe. Mine appears to be clean in that area. Thanks guys.

turbojeff

iTrader: (30)

The turbos can leak out the exhaust side and cause smoke without any oil going into the intake.

Oily plugs make me think it isn't a turbo issue though. To be safe you should install a set of known good turbos and see how it runs.

Jeff

poss

iTrader: (5)

yes there was external leaking, but i think that was just due to leaky oil drain connections.
it doesn't take much oil in the exhaust to make alot of smoke.

badass7

Well......just pulled the plugs again to clean them off bec. smoke was getting insane. All four plugs black sutt.

turbojeff

iTrader: (30)

Black "soot" is fuel, not oil. How does it run other than the smoke?

If the motor is burning oil internally you should get oil on the plugs.

badass7

Well, I also cannot get rid of an error code 13 "Pressure Sensor" aka "Map Sensor"- open or short circuit. That is the explanation of that code. I've changed the map sensor which was def. loose and somewhat corroded. Then reset the ECU many man times and the code is still there. No check light but the when I jump the diag. box code is stored and won't go away. Although, it seems like there is tons of fuel on the plugs ie. black soot.....there is also oil........literally oil on the treads of both front and rear plugs. NOt tons of oil but nevertheless there is oil on the treads of the plugs. The smoke is also white Blue clouds once the plugs start getting covered enough.

badass7

So it's Black soot on the tips of the plugs and oil on the treads are slightly covered in oil.

unixpilot

Just my 2 cents... I had a very similar problem with a Hayes rebuild on my old FB that had a 4 port 13b swap.

Lots of light blue smoke on startup, once warm its wasn't "that bad" but take it up to redline and I'd get a 007 style smoke screen.

I had a simple intake setup that was tuned to the same motor before the rebuild, never had a problem.


Hayes sucks ***

RX7 RAGE

iTrader: (22)

yea, hayes sucks ***** for engines unfortunately.

stlFD

Everyone who got screwed by these pos rebuilders should get a lawyer and sue the **** out of them. I mean seriously, this isn't a bad jug of milk we're talking about here. Rebuilding an engine takes a lot of cash. We should be able to expect more from these guys. Maybe if Atkins or Hayes got sued, they, along with all of the other rebuilders would be a little more careful when putting these things together. I can just see some ******* named Cletus putting a rotary together with a cigarrete in his hand at one of these places. "Hey Roy, how these durn things go in?" Just my $.02

ech

Mr. Bad,

Get the error code resolved. You may even need to figure out which pins on the ecu connect to the map sensor and then confirm they work.

When the MAP sensor is out the ECU tries to protect the engine.

badass7

Will do.......but how does that make the engine burn oil ? The smoke is blue for sure. Thank you.

ech

That is an great question, and I don't have a good answer for it. The ECU should be dumping in a huge amount of fuel, but even if the OMP was on overdrive, there shouldn't be that much oil. ??

So you may have multiple problems, but even if that is the case, the oil problem will be much easier to diagnose with the engine running well.

badass7

Engine is being yanked ASAP and being sent to someone who knows their shiaaaat. I would consider sueing Hayes, but that would be a waste of time and they would still prolly send me back another pos. So, I'm just gonna cut bait and take a loss on this one. Especially since this already is a warranty job.........can you imagine a double warranty job ?? That's a scary thought.....prolly open it up and find one of Don's shoes in there.....lol

Tim Benton

iTrader: (1)

I hate to say it, but why does anyone buy a hayes motor nowadays. With nothing but **** for a reputation, how does a customer NOT know how bad they are? In the 9 years I've had my FD, I've yet to hear 1, 1 damn it, good engine story from Hayes. Granted, you only hear the bad stories, but I can't remember anyone responding to counter someone with a bad experience.

Yeah, cut your losses and egg their shop next time your in the area.

Tim