Try Malloy Mazda for the 99 spec turbos, I'm pretty sure Ray can get them. I've seen them for around $2500 new, this might be Mazda Comp's price (not sure).

My primary turbo is weak and Chris at RP recommended going with the 99 spec turbos. He uses them on his own car to make approx. 350rwhp at 0.9 bar (13 psi) boost with mid-pipe.

In a year or so, we shoud start to see some evidence to the durability of BNR turbos. I hope they work out but this has not been the case with a number of upgraded twins produced over the past 10 yrs.

Jack

 

Sorry, but $2500 is still $3000 more than I have to spend on turbos right now. Maybe next summer if I can save up the cash I'll think about throwing those in. How much are yours gonna be from RP?

 

I can somewhat agree that if you're looking for the longhaul and stay with twin turbos, the 99s are tough to turn down. From what I understand they can be run at 15 psi on a consistent basis and they are NEW - no old cracked manifolds like earlier stated. They won't put out the same power as the BNRs - I have yet to see 380 rwhp at 15 psi while still having a cat - but the BNRs reliability is still a question - just have to wait and see. Mine are fine but don't put many miles on them. Only problem is they are expensive. If you can find them for $2500 new - get the 99s.

 

i have an experience with BNR's that i would like to say. a customer of a friend ordered the BNR's. they came, were installed, car smoked SO bad. take the turbos off, start car w/ no turbos... runs fine w/ no smoke.
it took 3 sets of BNR's to get a set that did not smoke.... although now about 2 months latter, this set smokes now too.
although the bad seals were not the customers fault, or mechanics fault.... someone is going to pay for removal and instalation of a set of turbos no matter the amount of times it takes BNR to get the turbos right.
you may end up paying the price of a set of 99 turbos in labor to keep putting in and taking out.... i dont know how common this all is with BNR, BUT the scary thing about all this was the customer said they did not arguee the point of the turbos being the problem at all.... most places would say "its anything BUT the turbos" not them, they sent a new set right out.
call turbonetics and ask them why they dont do 3rd gen turbo upgrades anymore.

 

As far as I know, RP doesn't sell the 99 Spec turbos but when asked about the alternatives that is their choice. That $2500 may have been a Mazda Comp deal or some kinda sale.

I understand the money issue. I'm busy right now paying off new motor and such so I honsty haven't researched price and availability. Even with one and a half turbos I'm still making 310rwhp on 0.8bar and 326 on 0.9 bar so that'll have to do for a while. I'll try to remember to speak with Malloy this week for a price.

Jack

 

Actually I have been talking to guy who did the BNR's and after they were installed they also smoked alot! He is now goin to do a GT3540 single turbo instead of goin back to stock twins. As a result alot of his time and money has been wasted Although Jason at the RX7 store is supposed to be refunding him the cost towards a single turbo. It doesnt fix the frustration something like this causes. Stick with stock twins/ 99 spec twins or something like Twin GT28 Garret twins from A-spec or something. Stay away from the "Frankenstein" rebuilds. They are full of probable issues.

 

Just thought I'd leave an update about my continuing epxerience with KDR.

After the last time I talked to Skip he told me the car should be ready in about 2 weeks. Today was 2 weeks from the time I agreed to have the turbos and clutch replaced, and no, the car isn't ready yet. Not that I'm angry, I just want it back.

But here is the story I got. My turbos just came back from their turbo rebuilder. But the reason for all of the delays they have been having recently is this. They have Gotham Racing's car there, and last good dyno run it put down 404 rwhp. They wanted to see how far it'd go, so they put race gas in it. Well, it hasn't run right since, and they are working on trying to fix it, swapping out hoses, sensors, plugs, and putting in new injectors tomorrow. So thats the big hold up. (Skip called it the "problem child" of KDR) But anyway, as soon as they figure that out they'll evidently get back to my car. But in the mean time, I wait.

I'm gonna call Skip again tomorrow, and ask him, but in the meantime, does anyone know if KDR stocks the Apex'i Power FC? I think I've saved up enough to tack in on to my bill down there, and I figure why not do it if they have it, right? I thought I saw it in their display case in the lobby right on the left side when you walk in, but it isn't listed on their website.

 

yes they stock it most of the time.

 

Thanks!

 

KDR will charge you extra for the PFC though - if you get it from the RX7 store you'll get a much better deal unless they are on backorder. I got mine when the PFC first came out for $800 at the RX7 store - had to wait forever for it though since it was on backorder. The commanders were on backorder your like a year. But KDR might charge you like $100 extra so shop around.

 

I realize it will be more expensive, but it's still cheaper to have them install it now, while they have the car, than to drive down from Mass one day and have them do it then.

Yes, i realize I can install it myself, and would gladly do so, but I don't really want to drive the car without having it tuned. And while they still can tune it (brand new engine) while it's there this time, they should be able to tell me if it's ok to drive for the duration of the brak in period.

 

we have the pfc in stock, www.rx7store.net

 

we also do motor swaps, and anything else.

 

Yeah I know, but again, I've ordered things from rx7store.net before, and shipping usually takes a while. I would want this there like Thursday or Friday. Your prices are usually sooo much better that it's worth it to wait for shipping, but in this case, I need it like right now!

 

Bi-State Customs sells there upgraded turbos which are comparable to BNR's stage 3 for 1599.

Just letting you know in case you were interested in saving some money.

 

Is that Steve Kan's car?

Who's Skip?

Ken

 

i doubt it. why would steve have dave do his tuning? why would any "gotham" car be there? shouldnt steve be doing the tuning on a "gotham" car???

 

i havent past judgement on those bnr's yet. Although why spend 2k on these plus tuning to make a very slight increase in rwhp...only spoautos has made a decent enough marginal increase in rwhp to justify the upgrade. Why not just go gt 35/40 and go out and murder just about everyhting?
I am waiting for goodfellas car to get on the dyno..that should be interesting.

 

Without knowing the specifics, I would say it's prolly an East Coast customer's car that is now back in the Tri-State area. We've had guys flatbed FDs to us for rebuilds and then fly one way to drive the car back east. It's kinda hard to have Steve tune your car in TX when you live in NJ . Granted, he is making a trip out to that neck of the woods soon, but not everyone knows about that.

The rex most likely has Gotham stickers on it, hence "Gotham Racing" car. I can assure you that it doesn't belong to any of us . I think Skip is the new phone answering dude at KDR.

Again, this is just my hypothesizing, and I *am* currently many thousands of miles away. Just trying to clear things up.

 

Also, a customer of ours (my friend Eddie/Drifter93) has had great success with the BNRs. He's whupping up on sport bikes and Z06s. Do a search for his user name over on the "other" forum to see the success he's had. Neither one of us blow oil smoke out the tail pipe either---it's a simple matter of oil feed line banjo bolts to limit oil pressure.

Rich

 

it could be tons of little things....a hose pop off type thing. The source is a bit iffy too. I am sure its nothing.

 

we'll see....i need more power though....i thought 340 rwhp would be enough...its not though. Why didnt i just leave the damn thing stock?

 

Goodfellafd3s will be tuned (final touchups) by steve and dynode by this weekend... I'll post the results

 

I ask myself the same question over and over again (should have left it stock) but then I remember my coolant seals let loose and that's where my money pit and quest for power started - I don't think anyone has ENOUGH power to satisfy them.

 

it isnt enough but man you should have seen what i did to this bpu wrx yesterday getting on the hwy...i dont know...10 cars...very quickly. what he tried getting on my *** and passing.