just installed 10.4mm Taylor spark plug wires
01-27-05, 01:51 AM
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hey damon,
that was a very informative article (truth about ignition wire conductors). after reading it through, it made good sense and is totally logical. its also very good propaganda for magnecore. it brings forth a number of issues that are overlooked by the naive and uninformed consumer. my research on the taylor wires indicates that they should not be a hindrance to my system since they employ construction methods that are compatible with the electronics in the car. and perhaps they are overkill and stock wires would do just fine. in the long run since the various components of the taylor wire set are replaceable they could ultimately be just as cost effective as the oem wires or oem replacements. time will tell.
i did want to thank you for the info and your input, as i am always open for learning anything and everything that is offered me. the forum has been a wealth of info and a wonderful resource for many of us; thanks to those such as yourself, willing to share their knowledge and experiences.
chuck
that was a very informative article (truth about ignition wire conductors). after reading it through, it made good sense and is totally logical. its also very good propaganda for magnecore. it brings forth a number of issues that are overlooked by the naive and uninformed consumer. my research on the taylor wires indicates that they should not be a hindrance to my system since they employ construction methods that are compatible with the electronics in the car. and perhaps they are overkill and stock wires would do just fine. in the long run since the various components of the taylor wire set are replaceable they could ultimately be just as cost effective as the oem wires or oem replacements. time will tell.
i did want to thank you for the info and your input, as i am always open for learning anything and everything that is offered me. the forum has been a wealth of info and a wonderful resource for many of us; thanks to those such as yourself, willing to share their knowledge and experiences.
chuck
01-27-05, 02:34 AM
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Originally Posted by apexkw
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i see what you are saying about the life of a plug wire totally depends on your driving style and the weather conditions you live in. and i agree with you on the fact that decent wires are cheap enough to replace as you see fit. but i still cant understand what the point of the 10mm taylor wire is. if the thicker jacket has no other purpose besides the ability for a person to say LOOK i have 10mm wires do you??? then whats the point of them since in essence the are only an 8mm wire. i thought perhaps they made the wires different but it seems not. they seem to be basically the same wire with the same ratings.
here is some brief descriptions from taylors website:
SPIRO-PRO 8mm WIRE SETS- Taylor’s best 8mm high performance import ignition wire available for street or track applications that maximizes fire power without radio interference (RFI). Our Spiro-Wound conductor consists of a high conductivity resistor core, wound with a stainless steel wire and covered with a fluorocarbon silicone outer jacket.
‘409’ PRO RACE WIRE SETS- Taylor’s best 10.4mm high performance wire for street and race applications. Choose the Spiro-Wound Core for today’s Hi-Tech Electronics, Stereos, On-Board Computers, and Electronic Ignition Systems. The ‘409’ ignition wires provide continuous heat protection up to 600-degrees Fahrenheit and features 102,000 volts dielectric strength. With three layers of 100% silicone and a tightly wound, heat treated fiberglass braid, the ‘409’ is the most durable and dependable wire today.
and here is the description from summit racing
409 Pro Wire sets start with Taylor's 8mm wires (available in spiral-wound or solid core) with a silicone inner insulator, fiberglass braid, and a 100 percent pure silicone jacket. Then they add a heat-treated fiberglass mesh skin and a third layer of pure silicone to get a full 10.4mm diameter. Taylor even bonds pure silicone boots directly to the wires. The results are wires that have a 100,000+ volt dielectric strength rating that gets more spark to your plugs.
So basically to me it seems that the 10mm wires are just to say look i got fancy pants like mc hammer. and so long as the dont improve the rfi/emi noise then there is no point to switch to the 10mm over the 8mm. lol basically i am trying to convince myself that there is a reason for buying the 10mm taylors over the 8mm but i cant seem to find that point that will push me over and say yes john buy those wires. if the 10mm worked better on the noise problem i would buy them in a heartbeat.
john
Damon
i see what you are saying about the life of a plug wire totally depends on your driving style and the weather conditions you live in. and i agree with you on the fact that decent wires are cheap enough to replace as you see fit. but i still cant understand what the point of the 10mm taylor wire is. if the thicker jacket has no other purpose besides the ability for a person to say LOOK i have 10mm wires do you??? then whats the point of them since in essence the are only an 8mm wire. i thought perhaps they made the wires different but it seems not. they seem to be basically the same wire with the same ratings.
here is some brief descriptions from taylors website:
SPIRO-PRO 8mm WIRE SETS- Taylor’s best 8mm high performance import ignition wire available for street or track applications that maximizes fire power without radio interference (RFI). Our Spiro-Wound conductor consists of a high conductivity resistor core, wound with a stainless steel wire and covered with a fluorocarbon silicone outer jacket.
‘409’ PRO RACE WIRE SETS- Taylor’s best 10.4mm high performance wire for street and race applications. Choose the Spiro-Wound Core for today’s Hi-Tech Electronics, Stereos, On-Board Computers, and Electronic Ignition Systems. The ‘409’ ignition wires provide continuous heat protection up to 600-degrees Fahrenheit and features 102,000 volts dielectric strength. With three layers of 100% silicone and a tightly wound, heat treated fiberglass braid, the ‘409’ is the most durable and dependable wire today.
and here is the description from summit racing
409 Pro Wire sets start with Taylor's 8mm wires (available in spiral-wound or solid core) with a silicone inner insulator, fiberglass braid, and a 100 percent pure silicone jacket. Then they add a heat-treated fiberglass mesh skin and a third layer of pure silicone to get a full 10.4mm diameter. Taylor even bonds pure silicone boots directly to the wires. The results are wires that have a 100,000+ volt dielectric strength rating that gets more spark to your plugs.
So basically to me it seems that the 10mm wires are just to say look i got fancy pants like mc hammer. and so long as the dont improve the rfi/emi noise then there is no point to switch to the 10mm over the 8mm. lol basically i am trying to convince myself that there is a reason for buying the 10mm taylors over the 8mm but i cant seem to find that point that will push me over and say yes john buy those wires. if the 10mm worked better on the noise problem i would buy them in a heartbeat.
john
my take (perception) on the main benefit of the 10mm wires was that they offer almost bullet proof durability, they maintain a consistent and stable electrical signal, and superior heat resistance. i dont know if the additional layers of silicone jacketing add to the wires ability to further reduce emi / rfi (will look into this more). but to sum it up, my perception was that they provide reliable and consistent function under the most adverse conditions, which was another feature that sold me on the taylors.
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01-27-05, 09:08 AM
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Originally Posted by a3dcadman
hey damon,
that was a very informative article (truth about ignition wire conductors).
that was a very informative article (truth about ignition wire conductors).
My personal taste in wires is if they fit perfectly (the stockers do) and perform their function adequately (the stockers do) while also being cheaper (the stockers are) that's my choice. I'm sure if you were running huge amounts of boost and required a stonger ignition different wires may be in order but it would come at the expense of increased noise.
01-27-05, 10:17 AM
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Originally Posted by DamonB
Let me just say that I have no idea of if the Taylor's are better or worse products then what is in the article, I just wanted to show that the real performance factors do not include low wire resistance or thick jackets.
My personal taste in wires is if they fit perfectly (the stockers do) and perform their function adequately (the stockers do) while also being cheaper (the stockers are) that's my choice. I'm sure if you were running huge amounts of boost and required a stonger ignition different wires may be in order but it would come at the expense of increased noise.
My personal taste in wires is if they fit perfectly (the stockers do) and perform their function adequately (the stockers do) while also being cheaper (the stockers are) that's my choice. I'm sure if you were running huge amounts of boost and required a stonger ignition different wires may be in order but it would come at the expense of increased noise.
hey whats your thought on different spark plugs - types -brands - electrode material, since we are discussing ignition system components. ive read a few threads that discussed this topic but would appreciate any input you may have.
an interesting tidbit re: plugs, I recall seeing something pertaining to a part that is just a special plug for the hole and the engine only uses 2 spark plugs. this is not something im considering but i thought it an interesting and unusual concept.
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01-27-05, 10:35 AM
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Originally Posted by a3dcadman
point taken!
hey whats your thought on different spark plugs - types -brands - electrode material, since we are discussing ignition system components. ive read a few threads that discussed this topic but would appreciate any input you may have.
hey whats your thought on different spark plugs - types -brands - electrode material, since we are discussing ignition system components. ive read a few threads that discussed this topic but would appreciate any input you may have.
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