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I'm one of the strongest proponents of these cars and voted CP LOL. If anything tells you the values are going up it's this car and the voting results.
Fresh engine and turbos along with lots of maint history and I'd vote NP. As is I just can't tell a lie
Fresh engine and turbos along with lots of maint history and I'd vote NP. As is I just can't tell a lie
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Based on my own experiences as a newb since Nov, I am glad to hear you say that. My car was seemingly stock other than exhaust mods. Needed a lot of reliability mods and my compression checked out. I was flying high. And now the motor is out because of the coolant seals. Knowing what I know now, $13k tops for that car.
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FDs are an odd duck. Any other car with low miles, and bam you think you scored the golden goose. Buy low miles is not a determinant of a long future life of an FD engine.
I could follow that line with a FB (even with the 13B) but not these cars. So a reliability rebuild with upgraded apex seals is really a bonus. Maybe the only way to go?
I remember looking at FDs on ebay 10-15 years ago. Almost every car with 40k on it had a new engine. It stands to reason that buying a "creampuff" today with 40k on it is buying a ticking time bomb.
I could follow that line with a FB (even with the 13B) but not these cars. So a reliability rebuild with upgraded apex seals is really a bonus. Maybe the only way to go?
I remember looking at FDs on ebay 10-15 years ago. Almost every car with 40k on it had a new engine. It stands to reason that buying a "creampuff" today with 40k on it is buying a ticking time bomb.
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Is it because yours is a 95’ and/or white? Doesn’t mean much because the differences between the 93 vs 95 are miniscule and the color is personal preference. I mean it is not like we are talking a 69 Karmann Ghia Vs a 71 Ghia. Where the differences are definitely pronounced and therefore making one more valuable than the other. Not the case for the 93-95 Rx7's as they are rather idebtical minus interior color & texture, extra airbag, RPM cluster ect. And enough white FDs were made that it doesn’t make them “extremely rare”. Low in numbers yes but not extremely rare.
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Your car has more milage so what exactly makes your car 2-3K more than this one?
Is it because yours is a 95’ and/or white? Doesn’t mean much because the differences between the 93 vs 95 are miniscule and the color is personal preference. I mean it is not like we are talking a 69 Karmann Ghia Vs a 71 Ghia. Where the differences are definitely pronounced and therefore making one more valuable than the other. Not the case for the 93-95 Rx7's as they are rather idebtical minus interior color & texture, extra airbag, RPM cluster ect. And enough white FDs were made that it doesn’t make them “extremely rare”. Low in numbers yes but not extremely rare.
Is it because yours is a 95’ and/or white? Doesn’t mean much because the differences between the 93 vs 95 are miniscule and the color is personal preference. I mean it is not like we are talking a 69 Karmann Ghia Vs a 71 Ghia. Where the differences are definitely pronounced and therefore making one more valuable than the other. Not the case for the 93-95 Rx7's as they are rather idebtical minus interior color & texture, extra airbag, RPM cluster ect. And enough white FDs were made that it doesn’t make them “extremely rare”. Low in numbers yes but not extremely rare.
better AC: worth 200 to me
Better rear sub frame: 200
Interior: easy 1000 (consoles, insulation, dash/glove box/passenger airbag, reinforced center console etc...)
Fuel tank: 200
Paint: 500 Debatable if they even changed it but I've heard they did and let me just say the paint on the 93s I've owned chip off if a gnat hits it. They probably wanted to shave weight with less paint LOL
Reinforced wheels: 200
etc...
Oh and it's a year or two younger (lots of 93s built in 92)
Now onto the 95
Again improved AC
Improved ABS
no bs stereo
no bs rear wiper
later model car etc....
If the above doesn't mean anything to you OK. Some people including me like the light weight of the 93 and look of the interior consoles etc.... but if I'm buying a keeper/collector it's a 95 R2 and I'd happily pay 4k more all things equal than a 93 R1. I'm not a collector though and currently own 4 93s LOL
Now look at the other differences:
White vs red is a 2k up charge
Black interior vs tan 2k up charge
Fresh engine 2k up charge
So from where I'm standing the CW/black 95 PEP is an 8k upcharge on the VR/tan 93 touring
Yep these are two very different FDs
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93 vs 94 is an easy 2k up charge if you are being conservative:
better AC: worth 200 to me
Better rear sub frame: 200
Interior: easy 1000 (consoles, insulation, dash/glove box/passenger airbag, reinforced center console etc...)
Fuel tank: 200
Paint: 500 Debatable if they even changed it but I've heard they did and let me just say the paint on the 93s I've owned chip off if a gnat hits it. They probably wanted to shave weight with less paint LOL
Reinforced wheels: 200
etc...
Oh and it's a year or two younger (lots of 93s built in 92)
Now onto the 95
Again improved AC
Improved ABS
no bs stereo
no bs rear wiper
later model car etc....
If the above doesn't mean anything to you OK. Some people including me like the light weight of the 93 and look of the interior consoles etc.... but if I'm buying a keeper/collector it's a 95 R2 and I'd happily pay 4k more all things equal than a 93 R1. I'm not a collector though and currently own 4 93s LOL
Now look at the other differences:
White vs red is a 2k up charge
Black interior vs tan 2k up charge
Fresh engine 2k up charge
So from where I'm standing the CW/black 95 PEP is an 8k upcharge on the VR/tan 93 touring
Yep these are two very different FDs
better AC: worth 200 to me
Better rear sub frame: 200
Interior: easy 1000 (consoles, insulation, dash/glove box/passenger airbag, reinforced center console etc...)
Fuel tank: 200
Paint: 500 Debatable if they even changed it but I've heard they did and let me just say the paint on the 93s I've owned chip off if a gnat hits it. They probably wanted to shave weight with less paint LOL
Reinforced wheels: 200
etc...
Oh and it's a year or two younger (lots of 93s built in 92)
Now onto the 95
Again improved AC
Improved ABS
no bs stereo
no bs rear wiper
later model car etc....
If the above doesn't mean anything to you OK. Some people including me like the light weight of the 93 and look of the interior consoles etc.... but if I'm buying a keeper/collector it's a 95 R2 and I'd happily pay 4k more all things equal than a 93 R1. I'm not a collector though and currently own 4 93s LOL
Now look at the other differences:
White vs red is a 2k up charge
Black interior vs tan 2k up charge
Fresh engine 2k up charge
So from where I'm standing the CW/black 95 PEP is an 8k upcharge on the VR/tan 93 touring
Yep these are two very different FDs
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Sub has two extra braces which may or may not help with wheel hop but any bracing can't hurt. Also have the 94 sub on my track car
I seriously do prefer the look of the 93 consoles and the 93 dash and don't like the weight of the passenger airbag but you can bet that if a passenger is riding with me and someone does something stupid I'll pray I'm driving a 94/95
Also it's truly amazing how much better those consoles in the 94/95 cars hold up. I've had some high mileage 94/95s with very good looking interiors.
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Well that's your personal preference. Is it not?
So where exactly are you coming up with the upcharge figures? Where is your source in other words.
The funny thing about this forum is that the people here are so critical that they see value in things that the general public does not. From my perspective the 8k surcharge is a pipe dream that only a fool would pay over a perfectly good and less milaged fd sitting next to it.
My car is a 94 but I have also owned a 93 and like I said, the differences were minimal. Definitely not enough to warrant thousands more over a lower milage model. Just saying...
93 vs 94 is an easy 2k up charge if you are being conservative:
better AC: worth 200 to me
Better rear sub frame: 200
Interior: easy 1000 (consoles, insulation, dash/glove box/passenger airbag, reinforced center console etc...)
Fuel tank: 200
Paint: 500 Debatable if they even changed it but I've heard they did and let me just say the paint on the 93s I've owned chip off if a gnat hits it. They probably wanted to shave weight with less paint LOL
Reinforced wheels: 200
etc...
Oh and it's a year or two younger (lots of 93s built in 92)
Now onto the 95
Again improved AC
Improved ABS
no bs stereo
no bs rear wiper
later model car etc....
If the above doesn't mean anything to you OK. Some people including me like the light weight of the 93 and look of the interior consoles etc.... but if I'm buying a keeper/collector it's a 95 R2 and I'd happily pay 4k more all things equal than a 93 R1. I'm not a collector though and currently own 4 93s LOL
Now look at the other differences:
White vs red is a 2k up charge
Black interior vs tan 2k up charge
Fresh engine 2k up charge
So from where I'm standing the CW/black 95 PEP is an 8k upcharge on the VR/tan 93 touring
Yep these are two very different FDs
better AC: worth 200 to me
Better rear sub frame: 200
Interior: easy 1000 (consoles, insulation, dash/glove box/passenger airbag, reinforced center console etc...)
Fuel tank: 200
Paint: 500 Debatable if they even changed it but I've heard they did and let me just say the paint on the 93s I've owned chip off if a gnat hits it. They probably wanted to shave weight with less paint LOL
Reinforced wheels: 200
etc...
Oh and it's a year or two younger (lots of 93s built in 92)
Now onto the 95
Again improved AC
Improved ABS
no bs stereo
no bs rear wiper
later model car etc....
If the above doesn't mean anything to you OK. Some people including me like the light weight of the 93 and look of the interior consoles etc.... but if I'm buying a keeper/collector it's a 95 R2 and I'd happily pay 4k more all things equal than a 93 R1. I'm not a collector though and currently own 4 93s LOL
Now look at the other differences:
White vs red is a 2k up charge
Black interior vs tan 2k up charge
Fresh engine 2k up charge
So from where I'm standing the CW/black 95 PEP is an 8k upcharge on the VR/tan 93 touring
Yep these are two very different FDs
The funny thing about this forum is that the people here are so critical that they see value in things that the general public does not. From my perspective the 8k surcharge is a pipe dream that only a fool would pay over a perfectly good and less milaged fd sitting next to it.
My car is a 94 but I have also owned a 93 and like I said, the differences were minimal. Definitely not enough to warrant thousands more over a lower milage model. Just saying...
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Mileage isn't everything but it's very important. Sometimes you buy the car alone but finding a great car with a great original owner who knows a thing or two about a thing or two is a real treat.
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Well that's your personal preference. Is it not?
So where exactly are you coming up with the upcharge figures? Where is your source in other words.
The funny thing about this forum is that the people here are so critical that they see value in things that the general public does not. From my perspective the 8k surcharge is a pipe dream that only a fool would pay over a perfectly good and less milaged fd sitting next to it.
My car is a 94 but I have also owned a 93 and like I said, the differences were minimal. Definitely not enough to warrant thousands more over a lower milage model. Just saying...
So where exactly are you coming up with the upcharge figures? Where is your source in other words.
The funny thing about this forum is that the people here are so critical that they see value in things that the general public does not. From my perspective the 8k surcharge is a pipe dream that only a fool would pay over a perfectly good and less milaged fd sitting next to it.
My car is a 94 but I have also owned a 93 and like I said, the differences were minimal. Definitely not enough to warrant thousands more over a lower milage model. Just saying...
I just wrote it. I am the source LOL
Seriously though in my experience and all things equal other than the 95 having a fresh engine it's an easy 5k up charge vs the 93 with the high mile stock engine based upon all those preferences/differences listed.
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Congrats and nice find. I also just bought a 1 owner BB/tan touring with radio stickees and what's even crazier it still has the windshield sticker. To top that off it has 125k miles LOL. The owner is a forum member in his 60s who's a retired financial officer from Coke. Married for 40 years with no kids so his cars are his kids. Couldn't ask for a better owner to buy a car from.
Mileage isn't everything but it's very important. Sometimes you buy the car alone but finding a great car with a great original owner who knows a thing or two about a thing or two is a real treat.
Mileage isn't everything but it's very important. Sometimes you buy the car alone but finding a great car with a great original owner who knows a thing or two about a thing or two is a real treat.
Wow window sticker?! Impressive!
I agree on the mileage - that's why I did not worry when I found a NSX with 100k miles. I am trying to get back in contact with the previous owner to see if he has paperwork of his car, since the dealer did not have any.
I think there are better ones than the one on Jalopnik, and if the purchasing decision falls to the color combo then it means that the car is not rare enough. I personally do not like the red/tan combo on ANY car.