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Old Aug 11, 2015 | 09:02 AM
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For $17,000, This 1993 Mazda RX7 Turbo Is A Bone Stock Rocket
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Old Aug 11, 2015 | 10:50 AM
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Why does anyone photograph this car with the headlights fully or partially popped in the daylight?!

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Came here to post this. I voted NP, as it's completely stock and looks good.
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Old Aug 11, 2015 | 11:32 AM
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I'm one of the strongest proponents of these cars and voted CP LOL. If anything tells you the values are going up it's this car and the voting results.

Fresh engine and turbos along with lots of maint history and I'd vote NP. As is I just can't tell a lie
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Old Aug 11, 2015 | 11:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Fritz Flynn
I'm one of the strongest proponents of these cars and voted CP LOL. If anything tells you the values are going up it's this car and the voting results.

Fresh engine and turbos along with lots of maint history and I'd vote NP. As is I just can't tell a lie
Based on my own experiences as a newb since Nov, I am glad to hear you say that. My car was seemingly stock other than exhaust mods. Needed a lot of reliability mods and my compression checked out. I was flying high. And now the motor is out because of the coolant seals. Knowing what I know now, $13k tops for that car.
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Old Aug 11, 2015 | 12:01 PM
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On the fence about this. It's a nice enough car. But, it's a 93 with the awful tan interior, it's got a sunroof, and it's red. Luckily it's OG. But, it's essentially the lowest common denominator of FDs.
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Old Aug 11, 2015 | 03:17 PM
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On the fence about this. It's a nice enough car. But, it's a 93 with the awful tan interior, it's got a sunroof, and it's red. Luckily it's OG. But, it's essentially the lowest common denominator of FDs.
Man, what does that say about people like me who actually like the tan interior and sunroof
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Old Aug 11, 2015 | 03:21 PM
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Man, what does that say about people like me who actually like the tan interior and sunroof
I prefer non-black interiors (leather or otherwise). That being said, I have succumbed to the "tan is ugly" when referring to an FD. It's not sporty looking enough? Not sure.
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Old Aug 11, 2015 | 08:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Fritz Flynn
I'm one of the strongest proponents of these cars and voted CP LOL. If anything tells you the values are going up it's this car and the voting results.

Fresh engine and turbos along with lots of maint history and I'd vote NP. As is I just can't tell a lie
With this statement, I retract my NP statement. I agree.
I also love red over tan, and would prefer it over my BB.
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Old Aug 11, 2015 | 08:46 PM
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I think it's a bit overpriced... I'd say 14-15k max. I just bought my White 95 PEP 3 months ago for 17k, 102k chassis, 6k rebuilt and the body/interior is 95% mint =)
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I think the tan looks great when it is clean, fair deal.
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Old Aug 12, 2015 | 12:11 PM
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FDs are an odd duck. Any other car with low miles, and bam you think you scored the golden goose. Buy low miles is not a determinant of a long future life of an FD engine.

I could follow that line with a FB (even with the 13B) but not these cars. So a reliability rebuild with upgraded apex seals is really a bonus. Maybe the only way to go?

I remember looking at FDs on ebay 10-15 years ago. Almost every car with 40k on it had a new engine. It stands to reason that buying a "creampuff" today with 40k on it is buying a ticking time bomb.
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Old Aug 12, 2015 | 12:20 PM
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Man, what does that say about people like me who actually like the tan interior and sunroof
I like the idea of sunroofs, but I'm too tall. The tan carpet I like, the tan panels are a no for me. Beauty is in the eye...
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Old Aug 12, 2015 | 04:00 PM
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I think it's a bit overpriced... I'd say 14-15k max. I just bought my White 95 PEP 3 months ago for 17k, 102k chassis, 6k rebuilt and the body/interior is 95% mint =)
Your car has more milage so what exactly makes your car 2-3K more than this one?

Is it because yours is a 95’ and/or white? Doesn’t mean much because the differences between the 93 vs 95 are miniscule and the color is personal preference. I mean it is not like we are talking a 69 Karmann Ghia Vs a 71 Ghia. Where the differences are definitely pronounced and therefore making one more valuable than the other. Not the case for the 93-95 Rx7's as they are rather idebtical minus interior color & texture, extra airbag, RPM cluster ect. And enough white FDs were made that it doesn’t make them “extremely rare”. Low in numbers yes but not extremely rare.
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Well for one, it's not red/tan and second, it's not a ticking time bomb since it has a rebuilt motor.
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Old Aug 12, 2015 | 06:01 PM
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Your car has more milage so what exactly makes your car 2-3K more than this one?
Originally white, 94+, not tan panels. All day.
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Old Aug 12, 2015 | 06:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Montego
Your car has more milage so what exactly makes your car 2-3K more than this one?

Is it because yours is a 95’ and/or white? Doesn’t mean much because the differences between the 93 vs 95 are miniscule and the color is personal preference. I mean it is not like we are talking a 69 Karmann Ghia Vs a 71 Ghia. Where the differences are definitely pronounced and therefore making one more valuable than the other. Not the case for the 93-95 Rx7's as they are rather idebtical minus interior color & texture, extra airbag, RPM cluster ect. And enough white FDs were made that it doesn’t make them “extremely rare”. Low in numbers yes but not extremely rare.
93 vs 94 is an easy 2k up charge if you are being conservative:
better AC: worth 200 to me
Better rear sub frame: 200
Interior: easy 1000 (consoles, insulation, dash/glove box/passenger airbag, reinforced center console etc...)
Fuel tank: 200
Paint: 500 Debatable if they even changed it but I've heard they did and let me just say the paint on the 93s I've owned chip off if a gnat hits it. They probably wanted to shave weight with less paint LOL
Reinforced wheels: 200
etc...

Oh and it's a year or two younger (lots of 93s built in 92)

Now onto the 95
Again improved AC
Improved ABS
no bs stereo
no bs rear wiper
later model car etc....

If the above doesn't mean anything to you OK. Some people including me like the light weight of the 93 and look of the interior consoles etc.... but if I'm buying a keeper/collector it's a 95 R2 and I'd happily pay 4k more all things equal than a 93 R1. I'm not a collector though and currently own 4 93s LOL

Now look at the other differences:

White vs red is a 2k up charge

Black interior vs tan 2k up charge

Fresh engine 2k up charge

So from where I'm standing the CW/black 95 PEP is an 8k upcharge on the VR/tan 93 touring

Originally Posted by jasonn
Well for one, it's not red/tan and second, it's not a ticking time bomb since it has a rebuilt motor.
Yep these are two very different FDs
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Old Aug 12, 2015 | 06:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Fritz Flynn
93 vs 94 is an easy 2k up charge if you are being conservative:
better AC: worth 200 to me
Better rear sub frame: 200
Interior: easy 1000 (consoles, insulation, dash/glove box/passenger airbag, reinforced center console etc...)
Fuel tank: 200
Paint: 500 Debatable if they even changed it but I've heard they did and let me just say the paint on the 93s I've owned chip off if a gnat hits it. They probably wanted to shave weight with less paint LOL
Reinforced wheels: 200
etc...

Oh and it's a year or two younger (lots of 93s built in 92)

Now onto the 95
Again improved AC
Improved ABS
no bs stereo
no bs rear wiper
later model car etc....

If the above doesn't mean anything to you OK. Some people including me like the light weight of the 93 and look of the interior consoles etc.... but if I'm buying a keeper/collector it's a 95 R2 and I'd happily pay 4k more all things equal than a 93 R1. I'm not a collector though and currently own 4 93s LOL

Now look at the other differences:

White vs red is a 2k up charge

Black interior vs tan 2k up charge

Fresh engine 2k up charge

So from where I'm standing the CW/black 95 PEP is an 8k upcharge on the VR/tan 93 touring



Yep these are two very different FDs
Here I am thinking I know the difference but that doesn't seem the case. What's the difference in subframe and fuel tank?
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Old Aug 12, 2015 | 06:49 PM
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Here I am thinking I know the difference but that doesn't seem the case. What's the difference in subframe and fuel tank?
Fuel tank has improved baffles but don't help much. I think in 96 or 99 they made a big improvement and that's the tank that's in my track car.

Sub has two extra braces which may or may not help with wheel hop but any bracing can't hurt. Also have the 94 sub on my track car

I seriously do prefer the look of the 93 consoles and the 93 dash and don't like the weight of the passenger airbag but you can bet that if a passenger is riding with me and someone does something stupid I'll pray I'm driving a 94/95

Also it's truly amazing how much better those consoles in the 94/95 cars hold up. I've had some high mileage 94/95s with very good looking interiors.
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Damn, must be nice!
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Originally Posted by Narfle
Originally white, 94+, not tan panels. All day.
Well that's your personal preference. Is it not?

Originally Posted by Fritz Flynn
93 vs 94 is an easy 2k up charge if you are being conservative:
better AC: worth 200 to me
Better rear sub frame: 200
Interior: easy 1000 (consoles, insulation, dash/glove box/passenger airbag, reinforced center console etc...)
Fuel tank: 200
Paint: 500 Debatable if they even changed it but I've heard they did and let me just say the paint on the 93s I've owned chip off if a gnat hits it. They probably wanted to shave weight with less paint LOL
Reinforced wheels: 200
etc...

Oh and it's a year or two younger (lots of 93s built in 92)

Now onto the 95
Again improved AC
Improved ABS
no bs stereo
no bs rear wiper
later model car etc....

If the above doesn't mean anything to you OK. Some people including me like the light weight of the 93 and look of the interior consoles etc.... but if I'm buying a keeper/collector it's a 95 R2 and I'd happily pay 4k more all things equal than a 93 R1. I'm not a collector though and currently own 4 93s LOL

Now look at the other differences:

White vs red is a 2k up charge

Black interior vs tan 2k up charge

Fresh engine 2k up charge

So from where I'm standing the CW/black 95 PEP is an 8k upcharge on the VR/tan 93 touring
Yep these are two very different FDs
So where exactly are you coming up with the upcharge figures? Where is your source in other words.

The funny thing about this forum is that the people here are so critical that they see value in things that the general public does not. From my perspective the 8k surcharge is a pipe dream that only a fool would pay over a perfectly good and less milaged fd sitting next to it.

My car is a 94 but I have also owned a 93 and like I said, the differences were minimal. Definitely not enough to warrant thousands more over a lower milage model. Just saying...

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Just got a fully stock bb on tan 93 touring one owner 55k miles: how much?

It even has the interior stickees under the radio!
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Just got a fully stock bb on tan 93 touring one owner 55k miles: how much?

It even has the interior stickees under the radio!
Congrats and nice find. I also just bought a 1 owner BB/tan touring with radio stickees and what's even crazier it still has the windshield sticker. To top that off it has 125k miles LOL. The owner is a forum member in his 60s who's a retired financial officer from Coke. Married for 40 years with no kids so his cars are his kids. Couldn't ask for a better owner to buy a car from.

Mileage isn't everything but it's very important. Sometimes you buy the car alone but finding a great car with a great original owner who knows a thing or two about a thing or two is a real treat.
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Originally Posted by Montego
Well that's your personal preference. Is it not?



So where exactly are you coming up with the upcharge figures? Where is your source in other words.

The funny thing about this forum is that the people here are so critical that they see value in things that the general public does not. From my perspective the 8k surcharge is a pipe dream that only a fool would pay over a perfectly good and less milaged fd sitting next to it.

My car is a 94 but I have also owned a 93 and like I said, the differences were minimal. Definitely not enough to warrant thousands more over a lower milage model. Just saying...
It's all personal preference but choices or the popularity of those choices do hold value especially when you are talking about the finer things of a collector car.

I just wrote it. I am the source LOL

Seriously though in my experience and all things equal other than the 95 having a fresh engine it's an easy 5k up charge vs the 93 with the high mile stock engine based upon all those preferences/differences listed.
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Originally Posted by Fritz Flynn
Congrats and nice find. I also just bought a 1 owner BB/tan touring with radio stickees and what's even crazier it still has the windshield sticker. To top that off it has 125k miles LOL. The owner is a forum member in his 60s who's a retired financial officer from Coke. Married for 40 years with no kids so his cars are his kids. Couldn't ask for a better owner to buy a car from.

Mileage isn't everything but it's very important. Sometimes you buy the car alone but finding a great car with a great original owner who knows a thing or two about a thing or two is a real treat.
Thanks! I will make my own thread to introduce myself properly

Wow window sticker?! Impressive!

I agree on the mileage - that's why I did not worry when I found a NSX with 100k miles. I am trying to get back in contact with the previous owner to see if he has paperwork of his car, since the dealer did not have any.


I think there are better ones than the one on Jalopnik, and if the purchasing decision falls to the color combo then it means that the car is not rare enough. I personally do not like the red/tan combo on ANY car.
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