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Old 03-11-05, 07:51 PM
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It's rebuild time!

Well, unfortunately, I am finally joining the club no one wants to me a member of -- the club of FD owners who have had to rebuild their engine.

I've been experiencing the normal symptoms -- poor fuel mileage, loss of low end power/throttle response, and hard hot starting. Had my compression check, here's the results:

rear rotor -- 6.2, 6.0, 6.2
front rotor -- 5.7, 5.9, 5.7

Car will be going under the knife in a couple of weeks and will likely be down for 3-4 weeks. Plans are for a streetported, 3mm seal engine with new rotor housings (at a minimum), ACT S/S clutch, aluminum flywheel, larger injectors/fuel pump, new fuel system components, all new cooling and vacuum hoses, swapping PFS intake for RX7fashion intake, RX7fashion hi-flow cat, possibly diff bushings, motor mounts, wiring harness, etc.

And new turbos -- still debating with myself over BNR Stage 3s or 99+.

Rick's Rotary Performance will be doing all the work...
Old 03-11-05, 07:56 PM
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Originally Posted by rynberg
Well, unfortunately, I am finally joining the club no one wants to me a member of -- the club of FD owners who have had to rebuild their engine.

I've been experiencing the normal symptoms -- poor fuel mileage, loss of low end power/throttle response, and hard hot starting. Had my compression check, here's the results:

rear rotor -- 6.2, 6.0, 6.2
front rotor -- 5.7, 5.9, 5.7

Car will be going under the knife in a couple of weeks and will likely be down for 3-4 weeks. Plans are for a streetported, 3mm seal engine with new rotor housings (at a minimum), ACT S/S clutch, aluminum flywheel, larger injectors/fuel pump, new fuel system components, all new cooling and vacuum hoses, swapping PFS intake for RX7fashion intake, RX7fashion hi-flow cat, possibly diff bushings, motor mounts, wiring harness, etc.

And new turbos -- still debating with myself over BNR Stage 3s or 99+.

Rick's Rotary Performance will be doing all the work...
Stay away from 3mm seals.
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Rick built a great motor in my car with 3mm seals. The previous owner, Joe Ramos had him do the work and it's one of the better engines I've owned. It's currently blown I have 3.9 7.2 4.2 or so but it still runs strong. Starts hot and has good power until boost reaches about 11 then she starts having some trouble. I also had 3mm seals in Wael's old car which also was a great engine.

Be sure to have the engine balanced I think that makes a huge difference and I believe he's cabable of doing it for you.

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Old 03-11-05, 08:15 PM
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Ahh rynberg sorry to hear that. If you can get the car started pretty easy and you are replacing the housings/turbos any way why not just drive it like that until it doesn't go any more?

That's going to be one heck of a bill and from my experience the more you change out the more problems you'll have until it's all sorted. I'd leave alone what is ok for now.
Isnt that the same shop zerobanger went to?
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Good luck on your project, and welcome to the club!

Keep this thread updated as you progress.
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Hey Rynberg. Sorry for the bad news, but I'm sure you'll be happy w/ the new mods Oh and given the recent changes, dynos, and feedback, I'd be going w/ the Stage III BNRs, in sequential. Good luck w/ everything...def keep us updated. Looks like I'm going to be joining the club in the near future... :-\

Oh and I PMed ya btw

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Originally Posted by rynberg
Well, unfortunately, I am finally joining the club no one wants to me a member of -- the club of FD owners who have had to rebuild their engine.

I've been experiencing the normal symptoms -- poor fuel mileage, loss of low end power/throttle response, and hard hot starting. Had my compression check, here's the results:

rear rotor -- 6.2, 6.0, 6.2
front rotor -- 5.7, 5.9, 5.7

Car will be going under the knife in a couple of weeks and will likely be down for 3-4 weeks. Plans are for a streetported, 3mm seal engine with new rotor housings (at a minimum), ACT S/S clutch, aluminum flywheel, larger injectors/fuel pump, new fuel system components, all new cooling and vacuum hoses, swapping PFS intake for RX7fashion intake, RX7fashion hi-flow cat, possibly diff bushings, motor mounts, wiring harness, etc.

And new turbos -- still debating with myself over BNR Stage 3s or 99+.

Rick's Rotary Performance will be doing all the work...
Don't feel bad, mine has been like that for nearly 2 years. The original engine and turbos @ 106K miles. I've probably put more miles on my engine since it has been blown than when it was running correctly (if it has ever run correctly). I plan to drive it till it quits. It still pulls strong and boosts good, just a rough idle and the secondary turbo dumps a lot of oil in the exhaust. Code name: smoke screen

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Old 03-11-05, 09:21 PM
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Ouch...sorry to hear that.

where you stock before? How many miles on the engine. Just curious.
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Originally Posted by RX794
Stay away from 3mm seals.
Rick doesn't like putting 2mm seals back into used rotors. Rick pretty much builds all of his motors with 3mm seals and they all have great compression and run strong. I used to be a 2mm advocate myself but I haven't rebuilt hundreds of motors like Rick has, so I'm deferring...

Thanks Fritz!

SurgeMonster: Same shop as David (zerobanger). I don't really view it as several new mods at once as all of those items have to come out as part of the rebuild process anyway (or most of them). Good advice though.

Thanks Mahjik!

Thanks Rami, I responded.

My current mods are in my sig.

And yes, I could keep driving the car, probably for another 15-20k miles, heh. However, I'm becoming quite a track junkie and haven't been to the track for 6 months already. There's no way I'll take the car to the track in its current condition, therefore, rebuild time. That and I'm getting sick of getting <10 mpg.
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This may sound strange but with the low compression engine it's probably safer to run on the track LOL


Originally Posted by rynberg
Rick doesn't like putting 2mm seals back into used rotors. Rick pretty much builds all of his motors with 3mm seals and they all have great compression and run strong. I used to be a 2mm advocate myself but I haven't rebuilt hundreds of motors like Rick has, so I'm deferring...

Thanks Fritz!

SurgeMonster: Same shop as David (zerobanger). I don't really view it as several new mods at once as all of those items have to come out as part of the rebuild process anyway (or most of them). Good advice though.

Thanks Mahjik!

Thanks Rami, I responded.

My current mods are in my sig.

And yes, I could keep driving the car, probably for another 15-20k miles, heh. However, I'm becoming quite a track junkie and haven't been to the track for 6 months already. There's no way I'll take the car to the track in its current condition, therefore, rebuild time. That and I'm getting sick of getting <10 mpg.
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Sorry to hear about the car good luck on the rebuild.

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Old 03-11-05, 11:13 PM
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Well *I* don't feel sorry for you. It sounds like it's going to be a nice setup.

Good luck

How many miles do/did you have on your current setup?
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no motor lasts forever. from the mods u r doing the car is going to be alot more fun and SAFE to drive at a track just keep us updated with the rebuild and after its broken in tell us how it rides
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Originally Posted by InsaneGideon
How many miles do/did you have on your current setup?
85k miles....many of those hard driven!
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I just hit 85k... You guys might be looking at another new member pretty soon .

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87K here
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85k and will be going on rebuild pretty soon too
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Originally Posted by jeremyb
I just hit 85k... You guys might be looking at another new member pretty soon .

Jeremy
No sense in worrying. My original motor made it to 98K and it was run hard constantly. You never know when it will be your time


Good luck with the work, rynberg.
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Originally Posted by DamonB
No sense in worrying. My original motor made it to 98K and it was run hard constantly. You never know when it will be your time
And people wonder why we see the FD as a ticking time bomb lol...you never know when she's gonna go
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85K here also, Keep us updated rynberg. I'll probably have Rick rebuild my engine this year also. So are you going to replace your turbos and if so which one are you going with(99 or BNR). Good luck
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im a newbie,but wat would be the difference between using 2mm or 3mm seals>?
Old 03-13-05, 09:06 AM
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I'm just a hair under 50k miles on my car....and everytime I drive it, I feel as if I'm pulling the pin on a old handgranade. You never know if its going to hold together, or let go. CJ
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My motor has 113,000 Original Miles.


and it still runs strong and I drive it like a 16 year old who just got his liscense I race mini vans bikes hondas whatever green to red baby LMAO j/k
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How much does the average rebuild cost??
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Depends on if you pull / re-install it yourself...

$800 Removal
$800 Re-Installation

$2000.00 Rebuild
$150-200 Porting

You'll be lucky to get out of most places with $4K


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