View Poll Results: Vote on what one you are seriously interested in buying:
I am interested in the radiator ducting
17
9.39%
I am interested in the underpanel/front splitter
34
18.78%
I am interested in both
130
71.82%
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interest in custom radiator ducting and undertray/front splitter combo?
10-26-04, 08:19 PM
#127
Originally Posted by FDNewbie
OMG lol...that RoadAmerica course must be KILLER!
10-26-04, 09:40 PM
#128
Originally Posted by Tim Benton
other than taking a shop'd word for it, how can you tell if somethings been cyro treated? I got burned by Ray at SR motorsports when I took his word for it concerning the upgraded turbos that weren't more than a shitbox with fan blades stuck to a turd. Like cryo treated brakes and rotor housing, et al.
Tim
Tim
They also started to offer straight slotted rotors (after I requested straight, since they only carried curved slotted at that point). Yea what can I say...I'm a trend-setter LOL 
But no seriously...doing it from someplace you trust, who has a rep on the line is key. Or, be like Damian, and personally know the places that do it, and stop by for a "visit" aka inspection lol.
Originally Posted by damian
yes, RoadAmerica is arguable the hardest track on brakes in the nation. It has many very long straights that lead in to tight turns and some very hard downhill braking zones. On some cars Ra has been known to eat new rotors in one event and explode rotors, in the last event a vette came into a deep braking zone and his front rotor exploded, literally exploded.
I'd imagine you go through brake pads like crazy too, huh? You wouldn't happen to have a pic of what an exploded rotor looks like, do ya??
10-27-04, 01:50 AM
#132
OMG! Man...that's horrible. I was expecting a pic of a rotor. I got a pic of a disaster... damn man. Damian, you take care out on the track, ya hear??
Originally Posted by damian
not exaclty, i herd the driver ended up with broken ribs, collapsed punctured lung, leaking vessle in the brain (that was soon after stopped)... so he is not ok, but could have been worse!!
10-27-04, 10:59 AM
#133
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Looking at that photo, I would think that this was primarily a suspension failure. To me, the rotor "exploded" after the wheel/hub/upright assembly tore off from the rest of the suspension. The fact that the part of the rotor remained intact at the brake caliper tells me that the wheel/rotor had already stopped rotating before the catastrophic failure(of the suspension occured) and the rotor disintegrated as a consesquence of the wheel being tossed around afterwards.
Was it a consensus of the people at the track that it was the rotor that initially failed causing the rest of the damage?
Was it a consensus of the people at the track that it was the rotor that initially failed causing the rest of the damage?
10-27-04, 01:49 PM
#134
This is OT at this point, but there's considerable discussion as to whether the rotor exploded or if there was some other failure. There was video shot in the control tower that was reviewed and the immediate reaction from the track staff was that the rotor had exploded. The passenger at the time (the driver's son) said that at braking marker 4 (just after the driver had started to brake) the car suddenly went dramatically left, like someone was pulling the car. The driver, unsurprisingly and thankfully, has very little memory of the crash.
To throw an additional wrench into the works at nearly the exact time that all this was happening it started to sleet on the previously dry track. I was at corner 8 at the time and I could see the sleet in the air before it hit the track. Someone went off in corner 12 (Canada corner) slightly before the vette due to the sleet. Road America is a huge track so the weather at different parts of it can vary quite a bit, but several people behind the vette also spun, possibly due to the sleet.
If you want to read more about this there's threads about it at the Speedseekers web site: (The 3rd page has the relevant info)
http://www.speedseekers.com/vb3/show...p?t=521&page=3
And at a couple other forums, here's one that has comment by the driver:
http://www.highspeeddriving.com/phpb...5722f886563720
There's also pics that depict the turn and wall under discussion.
To throw an additional wrench into the works at nearly the exact time that all this was happening it started to sleet on the previously dry track. I was at corner 8 at the time and I could see the sleet in the air before it hit the track. Someone went off in corner 12 (Canada corner) slightly before the vette due to the sleet. Road America is a huge track so the weather at different parts of it can vary quite a bit, but several people behind the vette also spun, possibly due to the sleet.
If you want to read more about this there's threads about it at the Speedseekers web site: (The 3rd page has the relevant info)
http://www.speedseekers.com/vb3/show...p?t=521&page=3
And at a couple other forums, here's one that has comment by the driver:
http://www.highspeeddriving.com/phpb...5722f886563720
There's also pics that depict the turn and wall under discussion.
11-26-04, 03:44 PM
#136
minor update, my shop guy and I talked about the purchase logistics, when the time comes you would probably order the undertray from his website..... but we still need to determine a few things before we get to that point. Here are a few things i have to figure out still:
- still need to test fit it against a few other noses to see how 'universal' it really is.
- we need to transfer the shape to a vector or CAD file so that we can have them pre-cut from a machine (believe me, you dont want me cutting this thing out, you want a machine to do it..hehehehe).
- need to determine what other options will be available, like carbon fiber reinforced front area, or sealing the edges of the teklam with glass/resin, et, et
i'll keep ya posted....
- still need to test fit it against a few other noses to see how 'universal' it really is.
- we need to transfer the shape to a vector or CAD file so that we can have them pre-cut from a machine (believe me, you dont want me cutting this thing out, you want a machine to do it..hehehehe).
- need to determine what other options will be available, like carbon fiber reinforced front area, or sealing the edges of the teklam with glass/resin, et, et
i'll keep ya posted....
11-26-04, 11:25 PM
#137
Damian, that's awesome man. I can't wait...seriously. And that's an awesome idea of having the edge of the lip finished. CF would look REAL nice. I've seen an S2K w/ a CF lip like that. It's definitely a looker.
Here's what I have in mind (specifically on my bumper). You can see this guy has a lip on his C-west bumper... Now imagine that in CF
Here's what I have in mind (specifically on my bumper). You can see this guy has a lip on his C-west bumper... Now imagine that in CF
11-27-04, 01:40 AM
#138
yep, that is basically how mine would look, i just contacted a local guy with a cwest bumper that i can test fit on once i get the undertray off my car.
the only issue i see is that the template is curved to the ms nose shape, so it might not match the curve of the cwest nose shape....might look fine, might look off... ill know when i test fit it...
im still in awe at how light this teklam is, the underpanel/splitter is a large cumbersome thing, yet the teklam version i can pickup with one hand and move it around like its a cereal box.
the only issue i see is that the template is curved to the ms nose shape, so it might not match the curve of the cwest nose shape....might look fine, might look off... ill know when i test fit it...
im still in awe at how light this teklam is, the underpanel/splitter is a large cumbersome thing, yet the teklam version i can pickup with one hand and move it around like its a cereal box.
11-27-04, 02:31 AM
#139
Originally Posted by damian
yep, that is basically how mine would look, i just contacted a local guy with a cwest bumper that i can test fit on once i get the undertray off my car.
the only issue i see is that the template is curved to the ms nose shape, so it might not match the curve of the cwest nose shape....might look fine, might look off... ill know when i test fit it...
im still in awe at how light this teklam is, the underpanel/splitter is a large cumbersome thing, yet the teklam version i can pickup with one hand and move it around like its a cereal box.
(Any plans of making the full underbody kit? 
)
11-27-04, 02:39 AM
#140
well, not really , the cf is molded right on the teklam, the teklam is what the cf adhears to so its not like what ur thinking....the cf will take the shape of the teklam edge
... but i may make a few different template shapes curved for teh right noses, but ill worry about that after the test fit :-)
...and yeah, ive had notions for a full underbody panle, but it would be some seriou $$ to do the prototype for it.... but im kinda compulsive like that :-) LOL
... but i may make a few different template shapes curved for teh right noses, but ill worry about that after the test fit :-)
...and yeah, ive had notions for a full underbody panle, but it would be some seriou $$ to do the prototype for it.... but im kinda compulsive like that :-) LOL
11-27-04, 02:50 AM
#141
Originally Posted by damian
well, not really , the cf is molded right on the teklam, the teklam is what the cf adhears to so its not like what ur thinking....the cf will take the shape of the teklam edge
... but i may make a few different template shapes curved for teh right noses, but ill worry about that after the test fit :-)
...and yeah, ive had notions for a full underbody panle, but it would be some seriou $$ to do the prototype for it.... but im kinda compulsive like that :-) LOL
11-27-04, 02:59 AM
#142
>>Well lemme ask you this...would it be one single large piece, or an additional piece that would work in conjuction w/ the undertray you're working on now? Cuz if it's gonna be only one large piece, I'm liable to hold out for that...
hahah, well they dont make the teklam in a big enough sheet.... so it would have to be a few parts :-)
im sure they could custome make a big enough sheet, but for some silly amount that is unrealistic to do.
hahah, well they dont make the teklam in a big enough sheet.... so it would have to be a few parts :-)
im sure they could custome make a big enough sheet, but for some silly amount that is unrealistic to do.
12-02-04, 05:28 PM
#145
I love your radiator ducting .. how many layers of glass did you layup. I am planning to build a similar one using a 1/4' foam core and 5.5oz 3k/3k CF/kevlar cloth to fit stock bumper .. unless you think you will be coming out with one soon. later I want to build/but a new undertray filling in in front of wheels at least, curently pop rivited alum sheet to sides of stock undertray.
12-02-04, 06:32 PM
#146
Originally Posted by Julian
what is the proposed schedule on this project ..
12-02-04, 06:35 PM
#147
Originally Posted by Julian
I love your radiator ducting .. how many layers of glass did you layup. I am planning to build a similar one using a 1/4' foam core and 5.5oz 3k/3k CF/kevlar cloth to fit stock bumper .. unless you think you will be coming out with one soon. later I want to build/but a new undertray filling in in front of wheels at least, curently pop rivited alum sheet to sides of stock undertray.
Last edited by damian; 12-02-04 at 06:37 PM.
12-03-04, 12:34 AM
#148
Originally Posted by damian
what project are you referring to? there are 3 that are in this thread, mainly I talk about the undertray/splitter...but there is alos the radiator ducting and full under body
12-03-04, 09:37 AM
#149
ahh, ok, well they both are under the same time frame, its not very defined, I am using the winter to try to get them both ready for sale. there is a lot of test fitting with different noses that has to happen and it not easy getting cars with the different noses all in one place :-)
12-07-04, 05:17 PM
#150
Just a note on materials: I found a great price source on Carbon Fiber, Kelvar etc. plus epoxy and materials at this site.. also low cost shipping and same day service. http://sollerpaddles.com/composites/