View Poll Results: Vote on what one you are seriously interested in buying:
I am interested in the radiator ducting
17
9.39%
I am interested in the underpanel/front splitter
34
18.78%
I am interested in both
130
71.82%
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interest in custom radiator ducting and undertray/front splitter combo?
08-03-04, 12:56 PM
#28
Originally Posted by su_maverick
stop with the flaming, geez.
Damian, I cant wait on the results on this. Any pricing ideas yet?
Damian, I cant wait on the results on this. Any pricing ideas yet?
08-04-04, 09:21 PM
#29
pics of prototype
Here are pics of our prototype template made out of aluminum:
before the undertray was installed, notice the massive gaps ont eh edges of the nose and by the oilpan:
this is what it looks like after we attached the prototype to my nose and body, notice the nice full
another shot
more of the coverage
this is a shot of how it acts as a front splitter also
more front splitter view
a shot of the temp mounting points, we talked about the final mounting points probably being in the same place as the stock undertray
before the undertray was installed, notice the massive gaps ont eh edges of the nose and by the oilpan:
this is what it looks like after we attached the prototype to my nose and body, notice the nice full
another shot
more of the coverage
this is a shot of how it acts as a front splitter also
more front splitter view
a shot of the temp mounting points, we talked about the final mounting points probably being in the same place as the stock undertray
08-04-04, 09:30 PM
#31
...by the way, it was on the car at BIR today and felt great at 160+ at the end of the straight, and according to a passenger who was looking at the speedo (i ususally dont look during this time...hehehe...im busy making sure we dont fly off track)...he said he saw 155 through turn one!!! anyway, the car felt great (i passed a lamborghini gallardo, there will be a video on that later, heheheh)... anyway, I'll keep you updated on matrials/cost
08-04-04, 09:38 PM
#32
Originally Posted by su_maverick
looks good, you should also use the two connecting pins to the bumper/rebar to keep the lip from catching and being pulled down
i have no idea the spot ur talkign about?
08-04-04, 10:12 PM
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Damian if you need to every use my car for fitment either for the cwest front or anything else in the future just let me know, i'd be happy to let you use it. The rest of the kit is going on this weekend and plan on having it painted before August 21 for the Autovations car show. I think i would be pretty interested in the undertray depending on if/when i can afford it.
08-04-04, 10:26 PM
#34
Being that you have a vented hood, the new undertray should help immensely at reducing lift in the front. Now you have to make a dedicated ducting from the radiator straight up to the vents. BTW, I bought the same hood you did.
I think Mazda purposely left that big gap b/w the plastic undertray and the oil pan for extraction of heat from the engine bay.
I think Mazda purposely left that big gap b/w the plastic undertray and the oil pan for extraction of heat from the engine bay.
08-04-04, 10:40 PM
#36
Originally Posted by ReDHot7
Damian if you need to every use my car for fitment either for the cwest front or anything else in the future just let me know, i'd be happy to let you use it. The rest of the kit is going on this weekend and plan on having it painted before August 21 for the Autovations car show. I think i would be pretty interested in the undertray depending on if/when i can afford it.
cool, yeah i may call you up for a cwest test fit at some point.
08-04-04, 11:12 PM
#39
>>Being that you have a vented hood, the new undertray should help immensely at reducing lift in the front.
yeah, thats the plan, and the front acts as a air splitter helping even more
>> Now you have to make a dedicated ducting from the radiator straight up to the vents.
dont really need to at this point, the combo of undertray/radiator ducting i did made the pfc see 101c at its peak during a hard 20 min session at BIR with 80+ degree outside temp..... thats pretty cool (pun intended)....ill post more detailson that later
>> BTW, I bought the same hood you did.
it has really grown on me, gets lots of attention, and does its deal, vents the hot goods out
>>I think Mazda purposely left that big gap b/w the plastic undertray and the oil pan for extraction of heat from the engine bay.[/QUOTE]
yeah, there was also some speculation about air going over the oil pan for heat removal, i think a lot of that stuff is arguable in dif directions, but for this application i am more interested in the front aero
yeah, thats the plan, and the front acts as a air splitter helping even more
>> Now you have to make a dedicated ducting from the radiator straight up to the vents.
dont really need to at this point, the combo of undertray/radiator ducting i did made the pfc see 101c at its peak during a hard 20 min session at BIR with 80+ degree outside temp..... thats pretty cool (pun intended)....ill post more detailson that later
>> BTW, I bought the same hood you did.
it has really grown on me, gets lots of attention, and does its deal, vents the hot goods out
>>I think Mazda purposely left that big gap b/w the plastic undertray and the oil pan for extraction of heat from the engine bay.[/QUOTE]
yeah, there was also some speculation about air going over the oil pan for heat removal, i think a lot of that stuff is arguable in dif directions, but for this application i am more interested in the front aero
08-05-04, 02:05 PM
#41
Originally Posted by pomanferrari
Well, what about thin plywood? The F1 cars back in the 80's used some type of wood bottom.
here is the scoop only plywood from my guru:
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the plywood is a composite material called jabrock. Its wood and resin and other secret stuff so it does not way much more than carbon fiber and has a low coefficient of friction so that it slides when the car bottoms out. The reason they use it, and they still do, is so the officials can tell if the ride height changes under load during the race. If the piece is thinner than a certain number at the end of the race it means the car was to low and was scraping the ground. If used for a splitter the leading edge will still chip like plywood, aluminum will still bend if it touches anything, and composites will crack if hit hard enough. There is no perfect material; the best way for it to last is not to hit anything.
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08-08-04, 01:12 AM
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Originally Posted by damian
the latest update is that we are going to take the aluminum prototype and use it as a template to make a CF version (or some other crazy material)
that final prototype will be used for test fits on other noses, ill keep the thread updated
that final prototype will be used for test fits on other noses, ill keep the thread updated
09-13-04, 01:38 AM
#48
update
I have a large sheet of teklam (http://www.teklam.com/) on the way, its pretty cool styff, 1/4 thick, 2 ply fiberglass skins with nomex honeycomb core. I wanted to go carbon fiber skins but it was to much $$ and the gains were minimal, although with unlimited funds carbon fiber skins would be ideal, a bit lighter and stronger.
Anyway, the material should arrive in a few weeks and I'll take the aluminum ogg, use it as the template and make a new one out of the teklam stuff and see how it goes. It should weight like 1/4 the aluminum one, I'll get exact figure and post them.
I have a large sheet of teklam (http://www.teklam.com/) on the way, its pretty cool styff, 1/4 thick, 2 ply fiberglass skins with nomex honeycomb core. I wanted to go carbon fiber skins but it was to much $$ and the gains were minimal, although with unlimited funds carbon fiber skins would be ideal, a bit lighter and stronger.
Anyway, the material should arrive in a few weeks and I'll take the aluminum ogg, use it as the template and make a new one out of the teklam stuff and see how it goes. It should weight like 1/4 the aluminum one, I'll get exact figure and post them.
09-13-04, 05:16 AM
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interested in the undertray.
But shouldn't you do something about
getting access to the oil pan/drain??
Removing that tray everytime to do an oil change
gonna be a serious PITA.
any rough idea on prices??
But shouldn't you do something about
getting access to the oil pan/drain??
Removing that tray everytime to do an oil change
gonna be a serious PITA.
any rough idea on prices??