wonder1and

I ran across a FD that has the vin popped off the dash and scrubbed off or filled in on the front of the engine bay... the car has been stripped... the last TX reg. tag expired in 01. Its a VR R1 Maybe R2 (can't tell year) tan interior w/ black r1 suede seats... it has a roll bar. I was told it was leagally purchased from someone on this board who used to use it as a drag car... I think its BS. Anyone have any idea? Lic plt SBB99Z (probably fake)... can anyone run this and see what it belongs to?
-R

911GT2

Any idea what the reward is for turning in car thieves? It's in the thousands in massachusetts, how about new turbos?

wonder1and

Yeah I think this guy has more than just this but I can't confirm... is there any other vin tags on the car besides those I listed? that can be easily seen? (Don't like to let this person know I'm being noisy)
reward...

wonder1and

make that a 6pt roll cage thats welded down

jimlab

Both door jambs, on the vehicle identification stickers.

rynberg

Well, if you can get a look under the hood (shouldn't be considered nosy..), the VIN should be stamped on the firewall, just above and behind the UIM.

wonder1and

Its been marred off... I already looked. But the owner of this thing (if it really is jacked) would have to have been on this board for some time though since the inspection expired on 1/2000 or 2001 can't remember.

Toadman

VIN stamped on the firewall also.

911GT2

He already said that one was gone.

dgeesaman

iTrader: (7)

Can you get the engine VIN to do a search from there?

fedupfd3

iTrader: (1)

It would be hard to get but if I rember correctly there is a vin stamped in one of the floorboards, or spare tire area

jimlab

There is no VIN (vehicle identification number) on the engine, and unfortunately, the serial numbers stamped on the engine would not map to any specific car.

jimlab

Here's some interesting reading...

8-116. Vehicle identification number offenses; possession or sale of vehicle without original VIN; removing or altering VIN; penalties; vehicle seizure and disposition.

(a) It is unlawful to sell, barter or exchange any motor vehicle, trailer or semitrailer, the original vehicle identification number of which has been destroyed, removed, altered or defaced, except as contemplated by K.S.A. 8-116a, and amendments thereto, when no part of the motor vehicle, trailer or semitrailer has been stolen and a vehicle identification number has been assigned to the motor vehicle according to law. Violation of this subsection (a) is a severity level 10, nonperson felony.

(b) It is unlawful to knowingly own or have the custody or possession of a motor vehicle, trailer or semitrailer, the original vehicle identification number of which has been destroyed, removed, altered or defaced, except as contemplated by K.S.A. 8-116a, and amendments thereto, when no part of the motor vehicle, trailer or semitrailer has been stolen and a vehicle identification number has been assigned to the motor vehicle according to law. Violation of this subsection (b) is a class C misdemeanor.

(c) Any person who shall destroy, remove, alter or deface any vehicle identification number, except as contemplated by K.S.A. 8-116a, and amendments thereto, when no part of the motor vehicle, trailer or semitrailer has been stolen, is guilty of a severity level 10, nonperson felony.

(d) Every law enforcement officer in this state having knowledge of a motor vehicle, trailer or semitrailer the vehicle identification number of which has been destroyed, removed, altered or defaced shall seize and take possession of such motor vehicle, trailer or semitrailer, arrest the owner or custodian thereof and cause prosecution to be brought in a court of competent jurisdiction.

RonKMiller

Food for thought Jim...

neo_omega

so what would happen to the car, if they seizure it?
Since the VIN are gone, they can't find the real owner even if they want to.

Hyperite

They'll sell it

maxpesce

NO w/o a VIN They CRUSH them

wonder1and

Is this a federal law or state?

GarageBoy

DO NOT LET IT CRUSHED!

GEB

PM'ed ya with the needed info.....pls do not give out.

GEB.

jimlab

Federal...

In 1984, Congress enacted the Motor Vehicle Theft Law Enforcement Act in order to reduce the incidence of motor vehicle theft and facilitate the tracing and recovery of stolen motor vehicles and parts from stolen vehicles.

With this legislation, Congress began to respond to the growing professionalism of motor vehicle theft during the prior two decades. The Department of Transportation implemented the 1984 Act by issuing the Federal Motor Vehicle Theft Prevention Standard, requiring manufacturers of designated high-theft passenger car lines to put the VIN on the engine, the transmission, and 12 major body parts.

The 1984 Act provided criminal penalties for altering or removing motor vehicle identification numbers; and allows seizure and forfeiture of vehicles or components with falsified or removed identification numbers. In addition, the 1984 Act authorized US Customs to require that exporters of used motor vehicles submit a proof of ownership containing the VIN to the Customs Service before exporting the vehicle.

The 1984 law provided additional teeth for prosecutors by bringing interstate trafficking in stolen vehicles and parts under federal racketeering statutes (RICO) and by imposing heavy fines and prison terms for export violations. RICO convictions keep criminals behind bars for years and include stiff financial penalties and confiscation of personal property.

A provision in another law, the Comprehensive Crime Control Act of 1984, made it a federal offense to counterfeit or forge motor vehicle title certificates. This law sought to prevent professional criminals from using counterfeit documents to dispose of stolen vehicles on the legitimate market.

jimlab

The Anti-Car Theft Act of 1992 made armed auto theft ("carjacking") a federal crime, and created a new offense making it a federal crime to own, operate, maintain, or control a chop shop.

The act provided funding to link all state motor vehicle departments, in order to ensure national access to title information, as well as implementing standards to improve vehicle titling, registration, and salvage information. It required state DMVs to check VINs of out-of-state cars before issuing titles to new owners, and forced auto recyclers and repair shops that sell or install used parts to check VINS against the FBI's stolen-car database.

Dealing in stolen marked parts became a Federal crime, and a grant program was authorized to help local law enforcement agencies deal with auto theft. Other provisions required Customs officials to perform spot checks of cars and containers leaving the country, and began a pilot program of x-raying containers to prevent the export of stolen vehicles.

It expanded the 1984 Motor Vehicle Theft Law Enforcement Act parts-marking requirement to include vans and utility vehicles with higher-than-average theft rates, and half of the passenger car, van and SUV lines with lower-than-average theft rates.

turbojeff

iTrader: (30)

Yes it does. All engines are marked with a number, it is not the VIN but it is a number that Mazda can trace to a VIN. Unfortunately that is probably the worst # to use on a FD since so many engines have been replaced. Still you could find out if it was original OR out of another car that was stolen.

wonder1and

Its starting to look like this car is legit... but My basic idea for this post is to see if anyone knows the possible owner of a VR R1 that may have dissappeared some time ago. If know one says anything... I'll leave her be since according to this guy he's putting it back together. (makes no sence) And noone like's another FD gone forever.

jimlab

I agree that engines are stamped with a serial number, but it has no relation to the vehicle identification number, and it is my understanding that for several years many manufacturers were not mapping specific engine serial numbers to specific VIN numbers. I'd be surprised if Mazda could tell you the serial number of the original engine for my car.