how's this for cold air??
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Has anybody done any real "Tests" on these cold air intakes to see what the temperature is just before it hits the turbo compressor? Someone has to try these methods of cooling the intake charge, and use temperature sensors (thermocouples) and maybe even mass air flow sensors to prove what works best! It's all speculation otherwise...
I think using something that doesn't conduct heat to well (eg. high temp plastic or carbon fibre) would work best. You don't want heat from the turbo being conducted to the air intake.
I have been thinking of doing something similar to my 3rd gen, and you've given me some good ideas to try out.
Adrian
I think using something that doesn't conduct heat to well (eg. high temp plastic or carbon fibre) would work best. You don't want heat from the turbo being conducted to the air intake.
I have been thinking of doing something similar to my 3rd gen, and you've given me some good ideas to try out.
Adrian
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Originally Posted by AdrianE
Has anybody done any real "Tests" on these cold air intakes to see what the temperature is just before it hits the turbo compressor? Someone has to try these methods of cooling the intake charge, and use temperature sensors (thermocouples) and maybe even mass air flow sensors to prove what works best!
It's all speculation otherwise...
I think using something that doesn't conduct heat to well (eg. high temp plastic or carbon fibre) would work best. You don't want heat from the turbo being conducted to the air intake.
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Originally Posted by DamonB
Where's the post I recall reading at one time from the guy who was going to air condition his intake duct? 
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Originally Posted by AdrianE
Has anybody done any real "Tests" on these cold air intakes to see what the temperature is just before it hits the turbo compressor? Someone has to try these methods of cooling the intake charge, and use temperature sensors (thermocouples) and maybe even mass air flow sensors to prove what works best! It's all speculation otherwise...
I think using something that doesn't conduct heat to well (eg. high temp plastic or carbon fibre) would work best. You don't want heat from the turbo being conducted to the air intake.
I have been thinking of doing something similar to my 3rd gen, and you've given me some good ideas to try out.
Adrian
I think using something that doesn't conduct heat to well (eg. high temp plastic or carbon fibre) would work best. You don't want heat from the turbo being conducted to the air intake.
I have been thinking of doing something similar to my 3rd gen, and you've given me some good ideas to try out.
Adrian
I work for a themecouple place, when I get some spare time Im going to try it out.
Thanks!
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John
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We took a drive in about 75F weather and intake temps were a consistant 20C
During Dean's ride back home which was really cold btw, he saw temps as low as 13C. Say what you want but it works
During Dean's ride back home which was really cold btw, he saw temps as low as 13C. Say what you want but it works
Originally Posted by LT1-7
We took a drive in about 75F weather and intake temps were a consistant 20C
During Dean's ride back home which was really cold btw, he saw temps as low as 13C. Say what you want but it works
During Dean's ride back home which was really cold btw, he saw temps as low as 13C. Say what you want but it works
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Originally Posted by turbojeff
I think what Jim is referring to 75F = 23.9C. If you were driving today I'd guess that your outside temps were closer to 50F = 10C (www.excite.com, weather).
Originally Posted by jimlab
My point was that 75F = 23.9C, but 20C = 68F. In order to have an intake charge temperature cooler than ambient air temperature, you'd have to have an air-to-water IC. However, I assume 75F was just an estimate.
. 75F better be an estimate since I only live 1 hr away and it is 51F.
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Originally Posted by 7apex7
l;ooks like it sucks hot air directly off the engine block. bad engineering
LOL,
Have you seen how most single turbos are? They have a Filter or just mesh even mounted directly to the turbo it self. Although the piping is absorbing a substantial amount of heat from the engine, the air tempatures coming through would probably be significantly cooler than nothing at all... Anyways, to eliminate the whole heat issue you could always just wrap the piping with some some kind of insulation.
Let me know if you start going into production with this setup, I'll surley buy one !
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Originally Posted by spoolage
LOL,
Have you seen how most single turbos are? They have a Filter or just mesh even mounted directly to the turbo it self. Although the piping is absorbing a substantial amount of heat from the engine, the air tempatures coming through would probably be significantly cooler than nothing at all... Anyways, to eliminate the whole heat issue you could always just wrap the piping with some some kind of insulation.
Let me know if you start going into production with this setup, I'll surley buy one !
Have you seen how most single turbos are? They have a Filter or just mesh even mounted directly to the turbo it self. Although the piping is absorbing a substantial amount of heat from the engine, the air tempatures coming through would probably be significantly cooler than nothing at all... Anyways, to eliminate the whole heat issue you could always just wrap the piping with some some kind of insulation.
Let me know if you start going into production with this setup, I'll surley buy one !
Originally Posted by LT1-7
I built this as a favor for Dean and never plan on going into production.
-Alex
Last edited by TT_Rex_7; Mar 22, 2005 at 02:19 AM.
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Originally Posted by iceman4357
when u put filters in the only problem i can see is if you drive in the rain. It will make the filter like a wet T shirt and the water will get sucked into the turbo.
-Alex
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FYI..... After getting back from tunning, it almost rained everyday when I was in Washington. I drove the 7 everyday (2-3 days) in pretty hard rain and did not have any issues. Dan/krackerRx7 on the forum can verify. I actually ran into him and gave him a little ride on a rainy day!!! So for all of those people who said "water is going to get sucked up in there" needs to STFU!!!! And I don't plan on driving the 7 in "flood rains"
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Yes some water will get sucked up into the turbo but who said that was a bad thing? It's not going to be any substantial volume and will basically act like a crude water injection system with almost instant evaporation. Of course I don't suppose anyone is going to be looking for extra power in the rain : ).
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From: Redmond, WA
Originally Posted by the_glass_man
If you have an R1/2 or upgraded oil coolers, why would you want to remove one?
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ive had my setup like this for a long time in the rain and no problems
and if any water got in there
its no big deal
and i do see less the ambient air temps all the time
i have all my pipes heat wrapped etc..
and if any water got in there
its no big deal
and i do see less the ambient air temps all the time
i have all my pipes heat wrapped etc..
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Dean (RX7-2JOCK) what headlights are those? I'm going to make an intake similar to yours, so I need to get rid of the stock ones too. How difficult was it to convert the 2 oil cooler setup to the larger single one? I can't see the details on your website. I already have a Mocal 25-row cooler from a previous project ready to be plumbed in.
Thanks,
Adrian
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Thanks,
Adrian
(UK)
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From: Washington State
Originally Posted by AdrianE
Dean (RX7-2JOCK) what headlights are those? I'm going to make an intake similar to yours, so I need to get rid of the stock ones too. How difficult was it to convert the 2 oil cooler setup to the larger single one? I can't see the details on your website. I already have a Mocal 25-row cooler from a previous project ready to be plumbed in.
Thanks,
Adrian
(UK)
Thanks,
Adrian
(UK)
