Kevin T. Wyum

You guys are funny. Debating performance of a $14k 14 year old car with some mods and a brand new factory moded car selling for almost $90,000. Do you think the Corvette guys go on about how they compare to an Enzo, F1 or Ultima? Well I guess in this case the Rx7's with mods are actually pretty close, never mind.

Cgotto6

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Thats why 7's are so badass. With a few grand on top of a nice stock car, you got near supercar performance.

But then again, you throw a few grand at a C5 zo6, and your nearing true supercar performance status.

Montego

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here is your answer:

http://media.putfile.com/03-Cobra-vs...rap-soundtrack

Cgotto6

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Link doesnt work...

Montego

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I just checked it.

it works for me

Kevin T. Wyum

I think you meant throw tens of thousands because for a few grand you usually get some nice tuner emblems, racing hat and a few gauges on any car over 70k.

Mr rx-7 tt

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Not the case. The Z06 starts making power at 3000 (220 hp) and peaks at 6000 and stays almost flat (slight drop until 7000.

maduhbee

spend the money and invest in a 4 rotor engine in your FD

darkphantom

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i know this thread is getting long as hell but 350 will do the job

ptrhahn

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Like I say, I know exactly how much power my car makes, and exactly how much it weighs with me in it, and can run some back to back runs with a car that is exactly as fast as a C6 Z06 only has an automatic trans so it's perfectly repeatable.

I'll let you know how it goes, but i'm honestly expecting to loose with 365 rwhp in a 2750 lb. RX7. I think it'll take another 30 hp to be in the ballpark.

matty

wow!

Cgotto6

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Naa, you can pick up a fully modded C5 Zo6, heads, cam, headers, exhaust, intake, TB...etc, and a blower for around 48k. Thats gonna put you in the 650rwhp or more range depending on boost and whatnot. I see them all the time go up for sale on Z06vette.com.

phinsn98

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Someone needs to get OutKast into this he's had a few run ins with the C6 Z06. There's supposed to be video of the race if I remember correctly.

Busted7

The Fd Was The First Corvette Anyway, At Least The Body. Park Next To One And From The Nose To Just Before The Rear Bumper They Are Very Close. Then When They Got To The Bumper They Didnt Know What The Hell To Do So They Punted. I Would Rather Own The Original Even If They Did Forget The Pistons!

speedy41

I am glad to see that alot of people on this website are unbiased enough to give the Corvettes props. I LOVE FD's, and have wanted one since late 1992. I have also owned 3 first generations, and a first generation rx-7 was my first ever car. I was about to purchase an FD recently, but the C5 Z06 is simply far more reliable and faster, so I purchased one.

I am sorry to say, but it will take at least 350 to the wheels for an FD to even touch a C5Z. Most stock C5Z's put down about 350-360 at the wheels, with over 300 lb. ft. of torque from idle. Stock quarter mile times for a C5Z are around 12.4 @ 116mph, with stock drag radial cars going 11.8@120+. In addition, a stock C5Z is capable of a conservative .98G on the skidpad, and 70+mph through the slalomn. They weigh about 3100lbs. They are built for the roadcourse, and can run times much quicker than the Z51 C6 Corvettes. With a brake upgrade (stock can crack after heavy usage), they rock!

C6 coupes are not as fast as the C5Z. The Z51 is a 400hp C6 with a stiffer suspension and bigger brakes, but those cars can not even touch a stock C5Z. They are typically mid to high 12 second cars.

Obviously the C6 Z06 is the craziest Corvette now. If I have to even fill people in on these cars they are already past hope. Easy high 11's, 1+G, and huge slalomn speeds make a really capable track car. There is a reason they are selling for $70,000 msrp+ $15,000.

Obviously driver is the most important factor in any car, and a shitty driver in a C6Z will lose to a good driver in a C5Z.

I still want an FD with a LS1 in it though

speedy41

With Nitto Drag radials? That is not a fair comparison at all. The main thing preventing good times ina C5Z are the launches, and a stock C5Z with drag radials will bang off 11.8's all day long withn a good driver. A stock C5Z can feather the gas with drag radials until it is perfectly hooked up, but with an FD it is a riskier proposition because you either hook up and launch, spin like crazy, or you bog down. Turbocharged cars, especially with large turbo's, are a bitch to launch. You spin, get off the throttle, and then bog with no boost.

Mr rx-7 tt

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Wrong.

It takes 340 rwhp RX-7 to run with a 390 rwhp modded & lightened C5 Z06.

https://www.rx7club.com/forum/showth...&highlight=z06

Torque doesn't win races hp does.

360 rwhp RX-7's have trapped 11.4's at 120 plus on humid 80 degree Florida days... Not the cool non humid perfect conditions Ranger trapped his 11.8 117 mph run.

RX-7 (R1) 1.01G

2700 lbs


RX-7 Shows Its Heels To Other Sports Cars - January 1992

The editors at Automobile Magazine were so impressed with the all-new 1993 RX-7 at the recent long-lead press preview that they asked Mazda if they could race one at the $100,000 Consulier Challange last month. When the dust cleared, the new RX-7's launch got a boost as the potent sports car showed its heels to some of the world's most exotic-and expensive-street machinery.

Consulier, a small south Florida car builder of race cars modified for street use, invited auto enthusiast publications to bring any stock production car of their choice to the historic Sebring (Florida) race track. The challenge: match or beat the lap time of the Consulier's prototype fiberglass race. Automibile editor David E. Davis, Jr. called MMA public relations, who arranged the loan of a pre-production RX-7 model for the event. Along with it came the services of Peter Farrell, the current international Motor Sports Association Firehawk Series driving champion, who had helped MMA organize the RX-7 long-lead press preview.

"At the long-lead I'd had a lot of chances to drive the RX-7, both on the road and the race track," said Farrell, a former rally racing champion his native New Zealand. "It was an impressive performer, and probably the best-handling car I've ever driven on the street."

"The new RX-7 is lighter, stronger and more powerful than the old one, which was no slouch around the track. It achieves true supercar performance. While I didn't think we could match the speed of a disguised racecar like the Consulier, I was confident that we'd do well in any match-up with a bonafide street car."

That they did. With Automobile technical editor Barry Winfield supervising and writers from Car and Driver, Motor Trend and AutoWeek looking on during the two-day event, the RX-7 with Farrell behind the wheel bettered the times of a Porsche 911 Turbo, a new Lamborghini Diablo, an Acura NSX, and a host of "unofficial" entries, including a race-modified Corvette and a Ferrari F-40 - - cars that cost two to 10 times as much as the RX-7.

Winfield says he was impressed with the demonstration drive that Farrell gave him around the racetrack, and took a few laps himself to get the feeling of the RX-7's track performance. Farrell also gave demonstration rides to the other writers who attended. speed of a disguised racecar like the Consulier, I was confident that we'd do well in any match-up with a bonafide street car."

"Now they really have a sense of just how good this car really is," Farrell said. "It's so easy and undemanding a car to drive on the street that it may be hard at first to grasp just how incredible the car performs. But these writers are fully aware now." AutoWeek's coverage of the event ran in January on ESPN, while Winfield's story in Automobile and John Phillips' in Car and Driver are expected in March issues, just in time for the 1993 RX-7's appearance in Mazda dealer showrooms across the U.S.

speedy41

Traction is the most important thing in a high HP drag race, and it is much easier to modulate the throttle with a NA car. Spin the tires with a large turbo, let off, and where are you? At 3000rpm with no boost.

I am sure there have been plenty of FD's run mid 11's with 360 RWHP, with drag radials. The day a 2700lb car with 360rwhp runs a mid 11 with stock tires is the day I shove a stick of dynamite up my *** and ask for a cigarette.

Obviously we are talking purley about speed, not reliability or price. To get 360 to the wheels of an FD takes a single with a PFC, injectors, a radiator, DP, MP, catback, and good gas. If you have a bad tune, you go bye bye.

For a stock C5 Z06 to get 360 to the wheels you need the car, and 91 octane from your closest gas station. Tuning? The Z06 will rip, snort, rattle, fart, and puke with a retardedly rich A/F ratio and make 360 to the wheels.

I guess I am just an FD lover, who woke up and smelled the roses. Reality is reality.

Oh, and whats with that article from 1992? C5 Z06's didn't even exist then.

Also, who cares what some guy posted on here about racing a "2002 Z06 with 390 to the wheels". It says he has aftermarket wheels, and aftermarket wheels are way heavier than stock.

Kevin T. Wyum

Sheesh wrong on almost every count. I ran a corrected 10.98 on stock modified twins with a stock radiator, piggy back computer, stock unported motor that had never been out of the car and street legal M&H drag tires. Couldn't tell you what my HP was but whatever it takes for 125mph on 2750 lbs w/ driver.

Nihilanthic

Anyone figured out how to run a two-step rev limiter on an ignition setup for a rotary? Id imagine youd have to only run leading, or have no timing split, unless you're just that smart, but with the right drag tires and new bushings in your suspension (and no dubz or overly stiff coil overs) you could snap off a good drag time.

And, well, the reason I bring up a two step is it lets you build boost, WOT, but set your redline wherever you want to, at the cost of some pretty serious backfiring.

Improved FD

amen

'06 ZX-10 is good for high 9s straight out of the box, baby

speedy41

Well my friend, you are one of a very few.

10.98 is a phenominal time. How long did your stock twins last? Everybody knows they wont last over 14psi.

I can't even stand arguing about this though, because I love both cars. Third Gen rx-7's have been my dream cars for 13+ years. The Z06 is reliable, fast as hell out of the box, looks awesome, and handles excellently.

speedy41

It is funny sportbikes came up, because I used to race sportbikes. I even did one pro year before I quit (biggest mistake of my life).

Obviously any sportbike will eat the cars we are discussing. From a standing start they will kill them, but from a roll against high HP cars it becomes a bit different.

Any decent sportbike will run a low 10 @ 140+ mph. All sportbikes do 0-60 in about 2.7 seconds (even 600s because bikes eaither wheelie or spin). After the 0-60, they are not THAT much quicker than really fast cars.

The problem sportbikes have is that they are as aerodynamic as a brick wall. They have a huge radiator gobbling up air, and virtually no aero aids. The rider is also very unaerodynamic usually. That is why most sportbikes, that do high 9 second 1/4s, only do about 170mph top speed.

Cars and bikes are a whole different discussion. Even roadcourse times are surprising. Bikes can transition extremely quickly, but will only hold about .8g maximum, so any good sportscar will out corner a sportbike.

Mr rx-7 tt

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How big of a stick of dynamite?

360 rwhp you need a single?
Twins have put out 400 plus rwhp and BNR twins 420 plus rwhp at conservative boost levels. Plenty of 360 rwhp cars have run 7 years plus and still going strong.

I have seen plenty of bone stock Z's make 340-345 rwhp. Besides you have an extra 400 lbs to carry around.

Yep, read the posts above.

You must be a rocket scientist? I was showing the RX-7 is a road race car as well.

The RX-7 also had aftermarket wheels which weighed more, Sport.

Facts are facts...

Mr rx-7 tt

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Really? I have been running 17/18 lbs for 5 years.