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Old Dec 1, 2005 | 03:48 PM
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Well, I just had this conversation with a key exec in Detroit. You all are over looking something very important. 2 Seater sports cars don't make jack **** for revenue compared to the huge market segments like the Honda Accord.
You all are aware that the volumes went from ~ 6000 to 3000 to 500. What does that tell you? With shipping and delivery and cost, the car wouldn't have $5000 to $10,000 margin left in it when it hit the shores of America. If they could sell another 500 cars for example, would $5,000,000 annual profit provide any reasonable return on investment? I imagine the investment to build a new TT 7, with current emissions, is on the order of $100,000,000. For sure it wouldn't be much cheaper than that.
The only real reason that automobile companies build 2-seat sports cars is for company prestige and brand recognition-- not to make money or a return on their investment.

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Take the history of the 7. countless engine failures. Only a hand full left have the original engine. Would a new car overcome this history? Would not every perspective buyer question the reliability of another turbocharged rotary?
No, because as demonstrated by the RX-8, a good portion of buyers are new to the rotary, and thus have no knowledge of the 7's history.
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Old Dec 1, 2005 | 04:01 PM
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Two years ago, a couple of "big wigs" at Mazda said that the success of the RX8 would determine if there would be another RX7. Seems like I am seeing a lot of RX8's on the road, but maybe it isn't enough.

If there is a new RX7, most of us won't be able to afford it .
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Old Dec 1, 2005 | 04:09 PM
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I think Mazda should come out with a new 7. Why not? I'm perfectly happy with my third gen and don't care much about the possible depreciation of my car. I don't plan on selling my car, never saw it as an investment and might want to pick up another in the near future. If it's depreciated (which it's gonna do anyway) more power to me when I buy it for less! I think the RX-7 is what Mazda is all about! Just like Ford Mustang, Chevy Camaro, Dodge Charger etc...(Legendary cars)
I might even consider buying a New 7 as a daily driver too.
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Old Dec 1, 2005 | 04:36 PM
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daz what i'm talking about!!!! now where can i **** out 40K for a new rx7.........
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Old Dec 1, 2005 | 04:46 PM
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The 7 is already dead. Welcome to 1995
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Old Dec 1, 2005 | 04:47 PM
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I think they should just make another rx-8 but i guess 2nd gen w/ TT power instead of the renesis. Also make it not look as gay as the normal rx-8.
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Old Dec 1, 2005 | 05:20 PM
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Originally Posted by dubulup
I don't want a new 7 either...leave perfection alone

LOL, I don't have a strong opinion one way or another, and love my car. But "perfection"? Hardly. It could be improved on, in many ways.
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Old Dec 1, 2005 | 05:31 PM
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They could also just change the Cosmo a bit and bring it over. Smog legal, all the goodies... People would eat them up like all those IS300's you see around all day long. Im sure I would pick one up, a nice new car as a daily driver.. that sort of thing... Ahh always good to deam right.

It also eventually would let us have access to 3 rotor parts and more legal swaps involving them.

Im in agreement, my best guess is the 7 not coming back anytime soon. Oh well I will enjoy my little collection.
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Old Dec 1, 2005 | 06:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Sgtblue
LOL, I don't have a strong opinion one way or another, and love my car. But "perfection"? Hardly. It could be improved on, in many ways.
I know, I already did it




more or less talking about chassis and body design...I redesigned the engine and electrical system
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Old Dec 1, 2005 | 08:41 PM
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Old Dec 1, 2005 | 08:59 PM
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no thanks...theyre not going to do so well with a new rx7. why? because theyre doing fine with the rx8 and theyre not going to create another 2 seater ROTARY sports coupe. no ones going to be interested. only around 10k rotary lovers will decide to get it. ricer kids will be like "OMG! mad tyte rx7 thats a 2 seater!"...no thanks, ill leave it as it is.
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Old Dec 1, 2005 | 09:13 PM
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got you guys thinkin'. I do agree there should be a new version of the 2 seat Rotary sports car with the finest technology out. Hell try a quasiturbine engine with a single turbo, make it special. Show them what rotary stands for, a flagship type car. Screw making money on it, make a statement. Like they did with the new Corvette. Dedicate to making another champion sports car of its time. Same design team with new innovation and research involved. NO - RX-S. I do like RX-T Hands down its got to be an RX - whatever. I would buy one. Oh and thanx for the font comment, I like my font. Thank you.
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Old Dec 1, 2005 | 09:17 PM
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Honistly they should just leave it alone, when was the last time a company brought back a car that people really liked inside and out?
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Old Dec 1, 2005 | 09:33 PM
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mazda already have a gt sports car (rx-8) and a nimble light weight sports car (mx-5). I think they should just start introducing more rotary engine into other mazda car models, such as rx-3. I also would not mind a rotary, hard top rx-5(mx-5).
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Old Dec 1, 2005 | 10:06 PM
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Originally Posted by sonix7
got you guys thinkin'. I do agree there should be a new version of the 2 seat Rotary sports car with the finest technology out. Hell try a quasiturbine engine with a single turbo, make it special. Show them what rotary stands for, a flagship type car. Screw making money on it, make a statement. Like they did with the new Corvette. .
Are you kidding? Chevy is going to make a KILLING on new vettes?

Last thing I want is for them to sell a new 30-40k Rx-7 and bring a bunch of mid-life crisis enduring 40 year olds who know nothing about the Rotary Engine or Rx-7s.

Honestly, just think about that aspect: Do you know what kind of members this will bring to the board?
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Old Dec 1, 2005 | 10:11 PM
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well...they shouldve came with two models for the rx8 IMO. one model would be a 2 seater 2 door coupe (with hatch like the fd) with an optional small/tiny back seat. and other model like the one they came out with, the 4 door with the 4 seater that can seat 4 adults.
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Old Dec 1, 2005 | 10:21 PM
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The RX-8 is not a sports car, its a sports sedan with potential but not enough. The RX-7 was a pure sports car 2 seats light weight no bullshit. I actually like the look of the RX-8 I admit even kinda sporty from the rear, but its still not considered nor can it be comapired to an S2000, all the BMIs and video options I've watched and articles I have read, the RX-8 can't compete with soemthing like that becasue its too heavy, its chasis isn't sturdy enough, and the suspension is too soft. Sure the renisis is a nice new engine but ehhh.....when people have problems designing a turbo kit for an engine becasue the exhuas ports limit potential you can tell something is wrong. IMHO if they were to actuall push forth with 300hp N/A 1.6L rotary that pushes 9000rpm, would have to put that 300hp to the wheel to sell and be a ton more reliable and good luck keeping a cat alive, we all know the rotary sucks with emissions.

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Old Dec 2, 2005 | 11:25 AM
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Originally Posted by SiKoPaThX
Are you kidding? Chevy is going to make a KILLING on new vettes?

Last thing I want is for them to sell a new 30-40k Rx-7 and bring a bunch of mid-life crisis enduring 40 year olds who know nothing about the Rotary Engine or Rx-7s.

Honestly, just think about that aspect: Do you know what kind of members this will bring to the board?
SiKo, correct and correct. Yeah I didn't mean to make it sound like they are not going to make profit on the new vette. Only that they designed it to be a sports car and did some things that diehards would have turned an eyebrow up too. Like the projection headlights, first ones to not have flip ups. They did what was best for the design of the car for it to make a statement, not because they were trying to increase sales. That is what Mazda should do, now after hearing and reading about the 3 rotor GT RX-8, I am extremely curious to see where this is going to go. If they bring the 20B to the states and make it more available we all know what that means. Conversion time. Might **** off Dave Hayes though. We will see.
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Old Dec 2, 2005 | 11:31 AM
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Originally Posted by SiKoPaThX
Last thing I want is for them to sell a new 30-40k Rx-7 and bring a bunch of mid-life crisis enduring 40 year olds who know nothing about the Rotary Engine or Rx-7s.

Honestly, just think about that aspect: Do you know what kind of members this will bring to the board?
Middle aged and educated ones with some money? That would be a step up from what we have now
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Old Dec 2, 2005 | 11:50 AM
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Middle aged and educated ones with some money? That would be a step up from what we have now
I guess I'll be joining that group next year . . .

:-) neil
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Old Dec 2, 2005 | 11:54 AM
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Originally Posted by SiKoPaThX
Last thing I want is for them to sell a new 30-40k Rx-7 and bring a bunch of mid-life crisis enduring 40 year olds who know nothing about the Rotary Engine or Rx-7s.
I think the FD was in the middle of that "30-40k" mark, certainly in today's dollars. And undoubtably many were purchased new by some 40 year olds. Oh, but yeah, let's all hope that if they bring it back, it's really really cheap, say like a Civic, so that a bunch of sanctimonious 20 year olds can buy them.

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Old Dec 2, 2005 | 12:40 PM
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You guys have got me wrong. Obviously it would be better than the 15-17 year olds rampaging these boards. I'm just thinking along the lines of say....350z owners except with less knowledge of the engine.
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Old Dec 2, 2005 | 12:43 PM
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Originally Posted by DamonB
Middle aged and educated ones with some money? That would be a step up from what we have now
I agree, besides I'm already there (if 46 is middle aged??)!

Must be nice to be 19 and know everything about cars (including rotary's).
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Old Dec 2, 2005 | 12:58 PM
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If Mazda ever does build another rx7 they should aim very high. 50 to 60k price tag would not be unreasonable.

I can picture a 3 rotor with light boost making 400 to 500 horsepower. This car will need to compete with all the other great cars that are being built today. This is the last harrah IMO for high power cars and I hope Mazda contributes with the ultimate RX7. I think the car and its badge have earned it.
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Old Dec 2, 2005 | 01:06 PM
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Yup... I'd actually like to see something positioned right in the middle of a Z06 and an Elise. 2500 lbs (surely Mazda can shave 250 lbs in 15 years), and about 400 hp. About the same size as the 93-95 car. Then sell a 300 hp heavier convertable version to help sales.




Originally Posted by Fritz Flynn
If Mazda ever does build another rx7 they should aim very high. 50 to 60k price tag would not be unreasonable.

I can picture a 3 rotor with light boost making 400 to 500 horsepower. This car will need to compete with all the other great cars that are being built today. This is the last harrah IMO for high power cars and I hope Mazda contributes with the ultimate RX7. I think the car and its badge have earned it.
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