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Old Jul 23, 2003 | 11:02 PM
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im getting rid of my 01 ws6 because i want to get an import. i figure an rx7 would be about a sweet as it gets. the thing is i dont have a clue how they work. ive been a muscle car guy (had a saleen s281) and i come here i dont have a friggin clue whats going on under your hood. i see piping goin everywhere

edit: removed a bunch of stuff here because yes i am retarded and just noticed the sticky up at the top about general Qs...

im going to sell my car for $23,000 and hopefully maybe i can find a rx7 for 20 + 3k for mods? for starters i would probably just make it look nice then save up for the big turbo stuff. ive searched around veilside and stuff but everything ive seen looks kinda gawdy. what is a nice popular body kit/bumper add-on. i think first id lower it, tint, wheels, body stuff, and those reverse headlights are so sweet. what do you guys think. will i miss my ws6? i dont think so

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Old Jul 23, 2003 | 11:15 PM
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Be mindful of where you get your 7, I got mine and 3 days later i blew a seal on it, and I have no warranty. Check the miles, get all paper work on it, seals tend to go out 50k-80k if the rebuild was done right. THe cars are very very picky, but they are worth every single bit of the trouble. Take it to a reputable 7 shop and have them check it out and give ya some info on it. Another idea is ebay.. I've seen 7's with 400-500hp, single turbo, NOS, etc etc running from $20-$35k, I spent $15k for mine, and about to drop another $4000 getting the engine replaced, ported, and 3mm seals, shipped and installed, so just talk to people and learn before you buy, I wish I would've done more of that.

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Old Jul 23, 2003 | 11:16 PM
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no, you wont miss the ws6 at all!!!! the handling is far superior in an rx7. for 20k youll find a freaking cherry rx7. you can find one highly modified for that much as well. get one in close to stock form for cheaper and save some cash. you can get a nice one for about 15000. id look into a 94-95. the 93s have some different thing on them that i dont like. mostly just appearance stuff. some of the 93s have a problem with accepting a power fc (which is the most common ecu upgrade on the rx7).

i personally like the stock setup. . . and the 99 conversion is more likeable than what we got in the states. its supernice. haha. if youre wanting an aftermarket kit, i will recommend www.rotaryextreme.com. they offer replicas of the feed front bumper (along with other companies as well), which is also a 99-ish upgrade.

with the amount of money youll have, its a good idea, as well, to find one in good shape with a bad engine. get another engine with a nice port and do all the upgrading you want. it IS a good idea to start from base though. you get to appreciate all the goodies you throw on it.

since youre close, contact kdrotary. theyre gonna be your closest rotary shop. they can help you out with most anything. maybe even find you a car.

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Old Jul 23, 2003 | 11:18 PM
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Wings West kit looks nice... there is another one.. but the front bumer alone costs $2100, I don't recall the name of it though, when I remember, I'll let you know ;p

Just dont make it look like crapass civics with their riced out bumper, we don't need that, lol.
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Old Jul 23, 2003 | 11:26 PM
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wow, quick replies!

those are some real nice body kits. i was thinking... how hard would it be to make this as fast as my ws6? can i just get a boost controller and put it up a little w/o anything else? it's prolly not that easy, i was just curious. i have so many q's, but im tryin to look around first instead of asking everything. i know how that can get annoying.

no, i wont make it look ricey at all. i come from the muscle car crowd, we dont approve of that, lol. thats what i meant earlier a lot of the stuff looked gawdy. rotorbrain's link has some nice stuff though.

is there a place where i can hear how blow off valves sound, like each one sounds different right? whats the most popular style? that would be my first mod

so... once i get rid of my car ill be shopping around for a stock 94-95 i guess. i would want stock so i can build it up myself. a red one sounds nice.
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Old Jul 24, 2003 | 04:09 AM
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RX7's from what i understand are tricky. im sure most will agree, and im also sure you know allready. to get a great understanding on the way the engine works go to

howstuffworks.com and search rotory

i will teach the hell out of you ha!

for 20k you will be getting one very nice RX7 BUT I think once you read more into how these engines can blow up, over heat, etc. etc. if you buy a stock one you should put about 2k into cooling upgrades first. like inter cooler, thermostat, so on and so on. check out rx7.com pettitracing.com (spelling) you will see what it takes, and what route to take with modding the rx7.

also you will find a 3rd gen (93- and up) rx7 for anywhere from 10-15k easy!!! leaving you some more money....

and hey with 23k maybe also consider a supra TT.
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Old Jul 24, 2003 | 04:11 AM
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some of the 93s have a problem with accepting a power fc (which is the most common ecu upgrade on the rx7).
seriously?" this is the first time ive heard this, can u go into this a bit more for me?

Thanks
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Old Jul 24, 2003 | 12:53 PM
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The only FD's I know of that have problems w/ the PFC are the AUTOMATICS - the PFC dosen't talk to the ecu for the Auto Trans.

Rotorbrain please elaborate if there is some other PFC isue w/ 93 fd's
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Old Jul 24, 2003 | 02:34 PM
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LS1PWRD: the best advice anyone can give you is to NOT turn up the boost with a boost controller - not until you have supplied sufficient fuel by means of an aftermarket ECU (Apexi Power FC, or PFC for short is highly recommended and will support a highly modified engine). Any type of airflow modification, such as exhaust and intake will increase boost. Factory boost is 10psi, if you start to go over you put your engine at serious risk for failure, which is expensive to repair. You dont need to put a blow off valve on your car just yet, just perform the stock BOV mod (search for it) and you will be happy with the sound.
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Old Jul 24, 2003 | 02:38 PM
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"with the amount of money youll have, its a good idea, as well, to find one in good shape with a bad engine. get another engine with a nice port and do all the upgrading you want. "

i like this idea. i'm just outside philly if ya want to hang, also might be going to xotic motorsports in atglen on sunday for a dyno day. gonna see what kan's tuning can do on some decent plugs
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Old Jul 24, 2003 | 05:16 PM
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the pins on some of the 93 rx7s wiring harness connectors (at the ecu) are a little bit skinnier. it makes it hard to get a good connection to the pfc. thats really the big deal. if you get a new harness you can make it work.

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Old Jul 24, 2003 | 06:14 PM
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ok... so no go on the added boost; quick question: how fast are these cars 1/4 mile time stock? i read 255hp/217tq is that about right?

airborne - think maybe i could go for a ride and check out the rx7 maybe help my decision ?

weird thing happened today, ive only ever seen an rx7 once at ocean city, md. but for some reason today when i pulled up into sheetz there was a dark orange? rx7 turbo. he had an hks boost controller sitting on the dash and he took off and shifted quickly, the BOV went "whooosh" wow, very nice

i saw these two cars on here, they are very nice... ive done some research, but im not 100%. where can i find the sideskirts on this orange one and the wing is the jspec meaning japan model i guess? on the red one where do you find a hood like that? im just shopping around to get a ballpark on prices for things to see what kind of an investment im up for.

you guys are very helpful thanks!

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Old Jul 24, 2003 | 06:35 PM
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Kinda neat to see everyone show the love to a prospective convert!

If you can wrench and don't mind doing some research to get the right parts combinations, a car with a blown motor might be a pretty good idea for you. If I had it to do again with the 23K you speak of, I'd get a good body with blown engine, get a reman sent to Pineapple and get a moderate street port with all the trimmings, then do fuel timing upgrades a la computer, prolly go stage III BNR's, and on and on... something on the order of 400 rwhp.

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Old Jul 24, 2003 | 11:32 PM
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First of all, make SURE you take someone with you who knows about fd's. Rx-7s are tricky becasue a lot of times, very serious problems can me masked very easily. Also, sometimes the people who are selling them have no idea how to properly maintain them and although they think they have taken great care of it, it can have very serious (and even more importantly, expensive) problems. I would probably try to buy as close to stock as possible and when you do decide to upgrade, make sure you take it to a mechanic who knows about fd's, so you will know the upgrades are done properly and not half-assed. As for body kits, I prefer the Racing Beat front air dam. It maintains the stock look but also improves the look of the front. The most important thing to keep in mind with body kits is PLEASE don't over do it, keep it nice and simple. Just my opinion...
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Old Jul 24, 2003 | 11:32 PM
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First of all, make SURE you take someone with you who knows about fd's. Rx-7s are tricky becasue a lot of times, very serious problems can me masked very easily. Also, sometimes the people who are selling them have no idea how to properly maintain them and although they think they have taken great care of it, it can have very serious (and even more importantly, expensive) problems. I would probably try to buy as close to stock as possible and when you do decide to upgrade, make sure you take it to a mechanic who knows about fd's, so you will know the upgrades are done properly and not half-assed. As for body kits, I prefer the Racing Beat front air dam. It maintains the stock look but also improves the look of the front. The most important thing to keep in mind with body kits is PLEASE don't over do it, keep it nice and simple. Just my opinion...
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Old Jul 25, 2003 | 12:25 AM
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with 23k, you can get a FD (blown engine but who cares), 2 engines, 2 trannies or just one good one hehe and a T51kai, gt35/40, T04R, TXX (66,78,88) or what ever other turbo you might possibly want +powerfc. what more do you need? other then fuel mods which are really not that much, you will have one very fast car with an extra engine to spare.

good luck
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Old Jul 25, 2003 | 01:27 AM
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well as much as i like the idea of a 400rwhp monster, i think id wait until my income is higher to be able to afford it if anything serious happens. for now, i would like to just make it look perdy, sound nice, and maybe see if i can get some little engine mods in there.

i know about not overdoing it. i like the skirts, front bumper, and wing on the orange one. and the hood, and lights on the red one. and maybe some black wheels with polished lip. do you guys know where that stuff is for sale that you can put up a link maybe?

i know a mechanic around here who would help me look it over, as for a complete engine overhaul, turbo upgrade, etc i guess i would take it to the place mentioned above kd rotary.
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Old Jul 25, 2003 | 02:03 AM
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To answer, "how can I make it as fast as the WS6". In terms of overall performance, it is very close and exceeds the WS6 in handling and braking. Its does not take many bolt-ons to whoop up on the WS6, especially on the highway.

When it first came out, magazines tested from 13.4-14.1 sec. at around 100 mph with 0-60 in 4.9-5.2 sec. From what I've witnessed, the average owner/driver, runs a high 13 with a healthy car. Many owners have run mid 13's just as many have run low 14's. Best known time was by Kevin Wyum at 13.36. Top speed was 157-160mph. Skid pad 0.99g. In handling comparisons, the only car turning quicker lap times was the 1993 vintage Porsche 911 turbo.

One of the car's biggest advantages is light weight, it makes the WS6 feel like a boat. Stock curb weights were 2789, 2800 and 2862 lbs (for 5-speed base, R model, & Touring).

You've got a lot to learn on modding the car correctly. It uses a speed density fuel injection system, which does not measure air entering the motor. Instead it uses a map sensor along with rpm and throttle position to determine fuel delivery based on the stock arrangement. It is possible to add some well chosen intake and exhaust mods while using a boost controler to maintain stock boost and still be safe. After educating yourself more, I'm sure you'll be coming back with many more questions.

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Old Jul 25, 2003 | 09:34 AM
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If you like it simple and not ricey...

Here is a full 99' conversion, I understand you dont like it "ricey" so heres a clean car.
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Old Jul 25, 2003 | 10:00 AM
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Originally posted by skunks
with 23k, you can get a FD (blown engine but who cares), 2 engines, 2 trannies or just one good one hehe and a T51kai, gt35/40, T04R, TXX (66,78,88) or what ever other turbo you might possibly want +powerfc. what more do you need? other then fuel mods which are really not that much, you will have one very fast car with an extra engine to spare.

good luck
Wont need that extra engine.. just buy this http://www.ignitionsolutions.com/pro...booster.shtml#
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Old Jul 25, 2003 | 10:11 AM
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Old Jul 25, 2003 | 10:56 AM
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Old Jul 25, 2003 | 03:07 PM
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Juancm5483 - that is badass!
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Old Jul 27, 2003 | 01:45 AM
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would it be a bad idea to buy an rx7 with 60-80k on the original engine? why is it a bad idea to go for 93s, thats all i can seem to find for sale? if the "reliability mods" are performed, will the car have no problem running 100% if driven hard? one other thing... what is the differences i know there's base model, touring, and r1?

those are the couple that stumped me. i found kd rotary in nazareth looks like that might be the new shop.


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3rd Gen Reliability Modifications
Keeping your engine cool is one of the most important and best things to do for your RX-7...listed below are just a few mods with labor pricing.

180 Degree Thermostat (keeps engine running cooler)
Parts: $12.00 Labor: $55.00

Fan Modification (attach toggle switch to fan control module to keep fan running up to 10 minutes after car is shut off)
Parts: $8.00 Labor: $55.00

Turbo Timer (cools engine down after shut off)
Greddy w/ harness (usually in stock)
Parts: $115.76 Labor: $60.00 (steering column mount)

AST Tank Deletion (factory known for leaking which could result in engine failure)
Parts: $42.30 Labor: $55.00

Radiators (keep engine cooler)
(fluidyne aluminum rad normally in stock)
Parts: $558.00 (call for pricing) Labor: $135.00 (depending on manufacturer)

are there any other things i can do like a HKS FMIC? i mean, i have to admit im very weary not knowing a thing about this car, and that reliability seems to be something tossed around a lot. and most of the guys seem to have new motors already at 40-60k. im a little hesitant. having a good shop nearby helps though... i appreciate everyones input and help it's really nice and a good welcome to your community.

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Old Jul 27, 2003 | 02:12 AM
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Read this thread from a Guy who knows alot about these cars and it should help.


https://www.rx7club.com/forum/showth...e+on+modifying
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