Yes but you stated 12 lbs + a dp yields 250hp. His set up has those mods plus a hot air intake, exhaust, and a hbp. I don't see 50 rwhp difference in just those mods. Maybe your original number of 250 is too low, I dunno.

The 300 HP number is based on cars with a true full exhaust, intake, and an ic that actually works, essentially all of the boltons.

 

I'm with Djseven on this one. I made 301 whp 217 tq with a streetport, full exhaust, stock intercooler, stock pfc basemap, nonseq twins and what I believe was 10 psi boost ( boost controller wasn't working, so it was wastegate pressure+ a boost leak I didn't know I had). I don't believe OP's setup can net less than I did.

 

I've done it about 30 times, im not taking guesses here. Stock catback is actually more restrictive than the stock cat. You can make 270-280rwhp with the stock cat easily at 12lbs.

 

So far you have said: 12lbs + dp = 250rwhp; 12 lbs + dp + exhaust = 270-280 rwhp (dude that's 20-30 HP... In other words a 10% percent power gain by just slapping on an exhaust); and 12lbs + dp + exhaust + intake + hbp = 300rwhp ( that's an additional 20-30 HP for just an intake and porting). For a total of 20% gain...


To be honest it seems your initial 250rwhp is low. A good rule of thumb is 15hp for every 1 psi of boost past 10lbs. Now a healthy fd yields around 225rwhp in stock form. Therefore its 225 + 30 (2x15) = 255rwhp @ 12lbs; add a dp and a gain of +10hp sounds about right, which brings us to 265rwhp. If you believe racing beat an exhaust can add up to 15hp which now puts us into the 280rwhp range. Interestingly enough that jives with your 270-280 number. Last, if one adds an intake, a more efficient IC, and a MP: gaining an additional +20hp is not out of the question for a total of 300rwhp.

 

You are really trying to make this difficult. If you really believe anyone is gaining 15rwhp per 1psi of boost over 10lbs through the bone stock pre-cat, cat and catback you should leave the conversation now. Ignore the raised boost levels, a healthy fd on factory boost setting of 10lbs should make 270-290rwhp with full exhaust.

Simply put, if this guy only makes 250rwhp at 12lbs it isnt the oem intercoolers fault.

 

https://www.rx7club.com/time-slips-d...graphs-229717/

Post 19 pretty much solidifies what I am saying. It has been done countless times, i really fail to see what you can't grasp about this. The stock catback is a massive restriction, the stock pre-cat is a massive restriction.

Guy should be north of 290rwhp on 12lbs even with the stock IC.

 

post 21 shows 332hp with the only mod difference from my car being stock ports and an intercooler.

 

wow your ego must be through the roof.... Given that you resort with that kind of reply, especially when it wasn't warranted. Can't even have a simple conversation but I guess some people on here believe that what they type is gospel and should never be asked to clarify. You know I can reply the same thing given that apparently you believe an intake and exhaust will net 50HP... ppf.


Post 19??? didn't I say that already: I think I did:



You fail to see 'what there is to grasp' because I'm not talking about the 300. Sheesh I keep talking about the 250 with a DP and 12 lbs. So it's not me dude that isn't grasping, it's you. Again: I never stated that 300RWHP wasn't attainable with 12 lbs, full exhaust, intake ect... What I keep asking you about is your inferred claim that an intake and exhaust will net and additional 50RWHP. Something you have yet to answer.

I think your number will ultimately depend on what your post IC intake temps are. I know that some people use ice and put it in front of the fan to super cool the air going into the IC. I guess that makes sense especially on a hot summer day

Edit-

In fact DJ I won't even bother anymore... This thread is not even that interesting to be involved in an ego driven **** match.

 

No ego here, you seem offended though?

Do I believe an intake, hi-flow cat and catback will net an additional 40-50 rwhp at 12lbs? Yes, that is exactly what I have stated over and over. I didnt think I could make it more clear.

No need to run away from a debate, but you are correct. It isnt very interesting since what I am saying has been proven countless times over a decade ago.

 

So you agree, you believe a properly boosting FD on 12lbs is only going to make 250rwhp because of the stock IC

Sorry, my ego is out of control today.

 

No but it was rather unexpected given that I thought you might be a better person than that.


na na nah he already has a catback and its not 40 -50HP, it was 50HP don't give yourself a 20% margin and don't be changing it. Clever girl but no dice for you...

Except that what you were kept trying to prove wasn't the topic. duh.. Besides its not really a debate. Your ego just can't take it so it turned into a pissing match. This could had been easily avoided by your second response. But nah right?

If it heat soaked yes. But oh look who is avoiding the original question over and over again. Deflect much...

Unless someone says asks you to clarify. Dude get over yourself. This is the internet no one really cares Quick tip: It's not that important but it is rather pathetic.

 

You seem awful hung up on me having an ego, did your pride get hurt? Seriously, you are now calling me a girl?

Lets recap the two brilliant statements you have made.

You believe a bone stock fd with full stock oem exhaust will pickup 15rwhp per psi of boost, you stated this. It is absolutely foolish. After that statement I made a very clear judgement about the person who I was debating and stated if you believed that nonsense you should excuse yourself from this conversation. I think we can all agree that statement you made is total garbage, correct?

Secondly you believe a heat soaked oem IC is going to rob someone of 50rwhp at 12lbs of boost? This is the second clueless statement you have made, completely clueless. Do you honestly, truly believe that and want to publicly admit this?

I have zero ego, none. If you feel I have an ego for pointing out to other members and lurkers how foolish your comments are and that they were proven incorrect over a decade ago that is on your hurt ego/pride, not mine.

Will his car only make 250hp due to the stock IC? Absolutely not, in no way ever. That much is fact.

If the car is healthy it will be right around 300rwhp assuming we are talking a dyno jet or other dyno calibrated to the inflated numbers everyone is used to seeing.

 

there is a way to settle this. put in your WHP guesses and see what he dyno's. perhaps even throw some money on it. The one who is closest and under the guess gets the money.

 

i dont mind the quote war but really.. if you both just keep repeating yourselves, you should learn that you arent going to change the other persons opinion, and thats okay.

 

^ is that from an anime, or just a drawing? Looks awesome!

 

just a drawing i think

so i put air temps up on the ol' commander and went ripping around. ~90* ambient air. never saw it go above 46*c. tuner says anything under 60 is fine

 

Its going to go higher on the dyno, especially after time spent working on drive ability. Like Ihor(rotaryexperiment) stated, the oem IC will heat soak when the car is sitting still. All SMICs and VMICs do this because of the placement over the radiator. You will struggle to keep intake temps below 60c after 20 mins on the dyno. Hopefully they have some great fans but it will be a challenge to keep temps down in that situation.

 

Hbp on a stock engine. I hope you upgrade to make loads more power, because otherwise you wasted time and money for some brap.

It's been proven many times that anything more than an aggressive streetport is waste of potential for a street driven car.

And that intercooler is going to heatsoak the moment you get into boost the first time on the dyno. And it doesn't get much better when boosting around on the street.

People have blown motors due to running the stock ic.

 

275-300 hp if your worried about the look of a front mount intercooler look at water to air intercoolers here is mine

 

hmm, always been slightly interested in the water to air exchangers...what type of intake temps do you see at WOT? After driving around the city for awhile? Any heat soak?

 

I'd have to agree with djseven RE his power projection. 300 to the wheels should be pretty easy with an opened exhaust (provided he has either a downpipe or a functional pre cat, not what 90% of them out there are) and an extra 2 psi of boost.

 

As I said it was gonna turn into a pissing match. So there isn’t really a point to it. Here let me break down ‘his tactics’ on his retort and how he attempts to diverge the discussion from where it originated from.

That is just funny and worth noting. I’m the one who mentioned his ego and he comes back with my feelings hurt? Lol that is the equivalent of the ever so famous 2nd grade playground come back.

First kid: Your momma wears combat boots!

Second kid: YOUR momma wears combat boots! lol yah that one works wonders in the adult world.

Ok I better listen because this is where he gets down to business…

Such conviction! Oh yeah he is making head way… Oh wait except that I clearly stated as a “rule of thumb’ and then I proceeded to add HP figures that resulted to 300HP. But sshh let’s not mention that.

Another conviction! This is where he attempts to corner me in order to discredit me. I guess he feels if he discredits one point then therefore everything I said becomes null and void. Lol WRONG!

Another very interesting thing about his statement is that he is attempting to pass his estimate of 300RWHP as fact. The truth is we do not know what stevensimon’s FD is putting down so how can he be so sure and use 300 as an anchor in order to discredit me with an 50HP figure lol. See it’s a tactic and a stupid one as that which makes his whole statement just garbage

Another thing I like how he says I’m clueless.. ha ha. Maybe DJ forgot that my number of 250 was just in agreement with stevensimon’s tuner lol. A paid professional. I guess he is clueless too. Oops again. But I’m not afraid to say it: when I threw that number out there I was half joking (hence the smiley) I think most people got that. But DJ is attempting to latch unto anything to save his precious ego.


Sooo.. in recap

1. I never stated that a heatsoaked IC would rob anyone of 50 HP. The 300HP number is one that he is attempting to pass on as fact. (Nice try tho)

2. Stevensimon’s tuner is clueless according to DJ.

Not only is he attemting to set himself up as some kind of forum hero (EGO) he is still diverging. Remember this all started because he claimed that (for the sixth time) an exhaust and intake yield 50 HP. Something he never came out and re-clarified.

Another attempt to diverge. He knows damn right this dispute is not about stevensimon’s car. Yet he tries to make it about that every other sentence he types. I guess he feels if he continues to try and make it about the car I’ll forget about what the debate really is. Yeah no.


see a pure freaking **** fest.


lol I feel like I have to keep repeating this: it was never about stevensimons car. Look I'll prove it:

Then at some point I said:
So I'm NOT disputing the 300HP figure (for like the 11th time now ) nor am I set on it being 250HP either. Because honestly we are all guessing.... This whole issue is because he can't take someone questioning him and therefore it turned into a bitchfest.


So DJ,
So how's that for your awesome fan club of lurkers and forum members? Because they can easily see how so much you have been dodging, diverging, giving yourself 20% margins, adding mods (that aren't there) all in attempt to save face on a such a stupid little thing. Dude you're still a knowledgeable guy but god dammed bro you're out of control.

 

11psi
Left it rich. Hard to keep intake temps below 60

I'm happy

 

Well I did say 280rwhp at 12psi so I'm close. And I'm a converted NA guy. Good job on leaving it rich.

Edit: I'm not use to seeing torque numbers fall like that on a such a low psi.

 

David, you are killing me!

-J