Hawaii Supra7
11-20-02, 10:20 PM
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Hawaii Supra7
I bought some parts from a guy in Hawaii. I asked if he wrecked his 7, Well some of you might think so, but its sure looks like a great project to me.
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11-20-02, 10:35 PM
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thats the SG engineering/SpeedGod's FD (yeah i know it kinda sounds like SP engineering which is in cali and did the yellow one already). I heard rumors of it but this is the first i have actually seen of it. It turns out that the original engine got ported and is going to go in to a FC with a T04R or a T51kai while that fd is getting a supra engine because it wants to keep up with a Skyline here in Hawaii.
11-20-02, 11:01 PM
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Originally posted by skunks
It turns out that the original engine got ported and is going to go in to a FC with a T04R or a T51kai while that fd is getting a supra engine because it wants to keep up with a Skyline here in Hawaii.
It turns out that the original engine got ported and is going to go in to a FC with a T04R or a T51kai while that fd is getting a supra engine because it wants to keep up with a Skyline here in Hawaii.
I know, I know, but you can never have too many spare parts.
Later, Jeff
11-20-02, 11:38 PM
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Originally posted by JeffShoots
No, the original FD engine and trans is sitting in my garage
I know, I know, but you can never have too many spare parts.
Later, Jeff
No, the original FD engine and trans is sitting in my garage
I know, I know, but you can never have too many spare parts.
Later, Jeff
opps, well thats what i heard those guys were doing... I still dont understand why anyone would put a supra engine in to a fd and not op for the V-8.
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11-21-02, 12:31 AM
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Originally posted by skunks
opps, well thats what i heard those guys were doing... I still dont understand why anyone would put a supra engine in to a fd and not op for the V-8.
opps, well thats what i heard those guys were doing... I still dont understand why anyone would put a supra engine in to a fd and not op for the V-8.
What are you talkin about???? A V-8 Instead of supra motor. The Supra motor is like the skyline motor, nearly bulletproof. Also a V-8 is too big and cannot handle the ungodly PSI's the Supra and skyline motors can (given it is the turbo versions) without any major internal adjustments. Moreover, the V-8 is around 4.6L to a large 6.6L and a supra is 3.0L.. Much much smaller, but personally I would stick with a rotary, they are just too addictive to listen to and drive.
11-21-02, 01:15 PM
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Damn to tell the truth, that's pretty damn cool! How fast is it? Or have you even driven it yet? That has to be fast, because it has 320 HP, if it's a stock Supra engine, and it doesn't look like it's a stock one, and it is so light from the RX-7 body. But it's kind of funny that the RX7's rival (Supra) engine is now sitting in it's own engine bay powering the beast! HEHE...
11-21-02, 02:02 PM
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What are you talkin about???? A V-8 Instead of supra motor. The Supra motor is like the skyline motor, nearly bulletproof. Also a V-8 is too big and cannot handle the ungodly PSI's the Supra and skyline motors can (given it is the turbo versions) without any major internal adjustments. Moreover, the V-8 is around 4.6L to a large 6.6L and a supra is 3.0L.. Much much smaller, but personally I would stick with a rotary, they are just too addictive to listen to and drive.
What are you talkin about???? A V-8 Instead of supra motor. The Supra motor is like the skyline motor, nearly bulletproof. Also a V-8 is too big and cannot handle the ungodly PSI's the Supra and skyline motors can (given it is the turbo versions) without any major internal adjustments. Moreover, the V-8 is around 4.6L to a large 6.6L and a supra is 3.0L.. Much much smaller, but personally I would stick with a rotary, they are just too addictive to listen to and drive.
You are right though, I prefer the rotary.
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11-27-02, 12:54 AM
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Uhh.. well let's see here, you do realize that the displacement of the motor really has little to do with it's overall weight in this case don't you? Another large factor is that both the skyline and supra motors are inline 6, which means they are long simply put. A V-8 on the other hand is much shorter, in fact WAY closer to the weight placement of a rotary (behind the front axle). It also puts out gobs of torque instantly off idle, is easier to work, less complex, cheaper in the long run.. I could go on and on. And who said a V-8 can't handle high psi turbocharging? If you build it correctly it can handle just as much as those japanese I-6 motors, and will put out ungodly amounts of power.. WAY more than either the skyline or supra motor is capable of. There still is no replacement for displacement.
You are right though, I prefer the rotary.
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Uhh.. well let's see here, you do realize that the displacement of the motor really has little to do with it's overall weight in this case don't you? Another large factor is that both the skyline and supra motors are inline 6, which means they are long simply put. A V-8 on the other hand is much shorter, in fact WAY closer to the weight placement of a rotary (behind the front axle). It also puts out gobs of torque instantly off idle, is easier to work, less complex, cheaper in the long run.. I could go on and on. And who said a V-8 can't handle high psi turbocharging? If you build it correctly it can handle just as much as those japanese I-6 motors, and will put out ungodly amounts of power.. WAY more than either the skyline or supra motor is capable of. There still is no replacement for displacement.
You are right though, I prefer the rotary.
Matt
11-27-02, 06:10 AM
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patrickclark and FD-Fever I feel sorry for you both.
Do either of you geniuses know anything about cost, relibility, weight, torque or hp? Are you guys going on the idea that if I can boost an engine 20+psi and automatically you can beat any N/A car type of thing?
There is no replacement for displacement!!!
BTW: Who the freak cares if you can boost a supra engine to 20psi stock, it won't put out over 500rwhp while you can easily get a V-8 to put out that much hp n/a as well as just about if not more torque. Slapping a turbo, supercharger or nos on it and say byebye to the skyline or supra.
Do either of you geniuses know anything about cost, relibility, weight, torque or hp? Are you guys going on the idea that if I can boost an engine 20+psi and automatically you can beat any N/A car type of thing?
There is no replacement for displacement!!!
BTW: Who the freak cares if you can boost a supra engine to 20psi stock, it won't put out over 500rwhp while you can easily get a V-8 to put out that much hp n/a as well as just about if not more torque. Slapping a turbo, supercharger or nos on it and say byebye to the skyline or supra.
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11-27-02, 08:11 AM
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1st of all......500hp doesn't come cheap no matter what your building. If you do happen to achieve it the low buck way then how long will it last? 500hp from a 2JZ motor will last you a lot longer and with less money than most V8's will IMO.
I've been into V8's and imports and have fast cars from both sides. I tell you what.......my Mustang has 250rwhp and runs mid 13's on the motor. I have close to $5000 just in upgrades and reliability mods to achieve that on a day to day basis. If i want 500hp i'm looking at another few grand at least.
Don't give me the Chevy vs. Ford crap either. It's just as hard to do that with a Chevy motor as it is a Ford.
Horsepower isn't cheap....although there are exceptions to the rule. But in general.....it doesn't come cheap. It might for short bursts.....but sustained power will cost you some big $$$!
I've been into V8's and imports and have fast cars from both sides. I tell you what.......my Mustang has 250rwhp and runs mid 13's on the motor. I have close to $5000 just in upgrades and reliability mods to achieve that on a day to day basis. If i want 500hp i'm looking at another few grand at least.
Don't give me the Chevy vs. Ford crap either. It's just as hard to do that with a Chevy motor as it is a Ford.
Horsepower isn't cheap....although there are exceptions to the rule. But in general.....it doesn't come cheap. It might for short bursts.....but sustained power will cost you some big $$$!
11-27-02, 08:39 AM
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I think its a great idea. We all know the Supra motors can make up to 900rwhp on a stock block. The only and major downside is the car would be so damn front heavy.
11-27-02, 11:35 AM
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Originally posted by patrickclark
I think it would not it be cheaper to build a turbo charged V-8 when a stock 2JZ-GTE has been known to take charges above 20 psi WITHOUT any INTERNAL Mods. So with this in mind I'd say turbo charging a supra motor is considerably cheaper than turbocharging a V-8. Moreover, if you did change internals in both I would assume (i never done this) that with 8 pistons compared to 6 pistons, the supra still would be cheaper internally, again assuming the parts that would be change was the same part and price. Finally, to knit pick alittle, the supra block is lighter than the Chevy V-8 small block and the rotary motor is more dircted towards the middle of the car than the front axles. However, I must disagree with your last statement about displacement, maybe in the 50's and 60's but in 2002 the ultimate "replacement" is technology(electronics, turbos, turbines, computers, etc etc) period.
I think it would not it be cheaper to build a turbo charged V-8 when a stock 2JZ-GTE has been known to take charges above 20 psi WITHOUT any INTERNAL Mods. So with this in mind I'd say turbo charging a supra motor is considerably cheaper than turbocharging a V-8. Moreover, if you did change internals in both I would assume (i never done this) that with 8 pistons compared to 6 pistons, the supra still would be cheaper internally, again assuming the parts that would be change was the same part and price. Finally, to knit pick alittle, the supra block is lighter than the Chevy V-8 small block and the rotary motor is more dircted towards the middle of the car than the front axles. However, I must disagree with your last statement about displacement, maybe in the 50's and 60's but in 2002 the ultimate "replacement" is technology(electronics, turbos, turbines, computers, etc etc) period.
Matt
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11-27-02, 05:25 PM
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i agree there is no replacement for displacement. why do 13b owners want a 20b? turbos and technology can make small displacement engines more powerful than a na v8, but if you put that boost on a properly set up v8, it's gonna make more power.
i agree there is no replacement for displacement. why do 13b owners want a 20b? turbos and technology can make small displacement engines more powerful than a na v8, but if you put that boost on a properly set up v8, it's gonna make more power.
11-27-02, 05:48 PM
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Originally posted by mjw
when it comes to easily achievable and ultimate power output, there is no replacement for displacement!
when it comes to easily achievable and ultimate power output, there is no replacement for displacement!
I agree. I know it's an old saying and the muscle car guys have been using it for years but there's really not. That's why everyone wants a 20B and why it's so much easier to make the same power off of a 20B vs. 13B. Not saying a 2JZ can't make as much power as a big c.i. v8, but which one would do it easier with more streetability and have a wider powerband with more torque?
The 2jz is a great motor, but there are other things that come into play other than which one makes more hp at a certain rpm. Like which one has a wider powerband, which one makes more torque down low to get you going out of the hole, etc.
I think that rx7 with the 2jz looks way better than a SP's and is pretty freakin wild to boot.
But on the 2JZ is way better than a big c.i. v8. Show me a 2JZ or even a RB26DETT motor that makes 2200hp..
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11-28-02, 12:06 AM
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I've worked on and have lots of friends with built "V8's" that don't produce anywhere close to 800hp.....hell it's pretty rare to see one with 500+hp. Your talking a lot of money! I don't get the whole "theres no replacement for displacement" arguement. Isn't the board we're on going against that theory? I think the import world has disproved that theory over the last 10yrs. don't you?
I see everyone's point here......but the people that are saying that it's so easy to put 500 or even 800hp down on a V8 just don't seem to really know what they're talking about.
Also......if you do happen to put down that much power N/A (which is highly unlikely) there is no way in hell your going to "slap" a turbo or supercharger on it and make gobs more power. Your just going to make one big giant whole.....or make that 2......1 in your block.....and the other in your pocket.
A high HP V8 is purpose built just like any other motor. If you want a high HP N/A then it won't take to boost at all. The compression will have to be dropped quite a bit.....in return you will lose bottom end......kinda like the whole Supra reference now huh?
I see everyone's point here......but the people that are saying that it's so easy to put 500 or even 800hp down on a V8 just don't seem to really know what they're talking about.
Also......if you do happen to put down that much power N/A (which is highly unlikely) there is no way in hell your going to "slap" a turbo or supercharger on it and make gobs more power. Your just going to make one big giant whole.....or make that 2......1 in your block.....and the other in your pocket.
A high HP V8 is purpose built just like any other motor. If you want a high HP N/A then it won't take to boost at all. The compression will have to be dropped quite a bit.....in return you will lose bottom end......kinda like the whole Supra reference now huh?
