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12-01-02, 11:03 AM
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A fast car is a fast car. I could care less if it has a 13b, a 20g, a ****** Supra motor, a V8... who cares. It's all about the total package. There is no replacement for displacement... blah... I'm happy just to drive a FD. I don't give a **** who's faster than me. There will always be someone faster.
12-01-02, 12:40 PM
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there is replacement for displacement......but if you use the same technology on all the motors....the bigger the displacement, the more powerful its gonna be.
throw the same technology of the less displacement i6 or 4 banger motor on the v8 and you've got a supercar. thats why they dont produce them like they do smaller turbo cars. sure, the smaller cars get all the technology, thats because car companies have another thing on their mind....consumers. if they just produced cars to be fast, and used the same technology that they use on their smaller motors for the big v8s, it would be no contest. the more the technology advances....the smaller we see v8s getting. how many times do you see someone swap a 4 banger into their camaro. doesnt happen.
and expense of parts...i'd think the supra parts would be more because its an import...but dont listen to me, this is just what i would think.....and makes sense to me
throw the same technology of the less displacement i6 or 4 banger motor on the v8 and you've got a supercar. thats why they dont produce them like they do smaller turbo cars. sure, the smaller cars get all the technology, thats because car companies have another thing on their mind....consumers. if they just produced cars to be fast, and used the same technology that they use on their smaller motors for the big v8s, it would be no contest. the more the technology advances....the smaller we see v8s getting. how many times do you see someone swap a 4 banger into their camaro. doesnt happen.
and expense of parts...i'd think the supra parts would be more because its an import...but dont listen to me, this is just what i would think.....and makes sense to me
12-04-02, 12:34 AM
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"no replacement for displacment" ... Uh this is a rx-7 site right? I mean simply the rotary motor itself is a kink in the displacement arguement.
I argee with Jdhuegel1, I love driving my rx-7 and there will always be somebody faster than you or me.
Racerfoo, where in Missouri you at? if you don't mind me asking.
I argee with Jdhuegel1, I love driving my rx-7 and there will always be somebody faster than you or me.
Racerfoo, where in Missouri you at? if you don't mind me asking.
12-04-02, 01:37 AM
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shaddap pansies! heh just adding fuel to the fire. btw, anyone with a spare t-56 laying around hawaii? i guess an auto will do for now. Hey, i'll probably get this running before the speedgod guys.
btw, it's not about how much power the engine makes, it's about how much u can put to the ground before snapping your berry and twigs. (aka stock diff and drive axles). hrm... questionable supra motor swap vs tested ls1? ...yeeeaa, i think i'll stick with the ls1. plus there's just more camaro tuning here in hawaii. shrugg*
shaddap pansies! heh just adding fuel to the fire. btw, anyone with a spare t-56 laying around hawaii? i guess an auto will do for now. Hey, i'll probably get this running before the speedgod guys.
btw, it's not about how much power the engine makes, it's about how much u can put to the ground before snapping your berry and twigs. (aka stock diff and drive axles). hrm... questionable supra motor swap vs tested ls1? ...yeeeaa, i think i'll stick with the ls1. plus there's just more camaro tuning here in hawaii. shrugg*
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12-04-02, 03:48 AM
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Blah.
A $6k single turbo kit from LS1 Motorsports will put you in the 450-500RWHP range on a stock LS1 @ 5-7PSI. No piston change, nothing. People are running mid-high 11s @ 120's @3800lbs with it. Relatively new kit - been out about a month. No chug chug.
My buddys bpu++ supra built and tuned at power house racing over 2 years ago made 425rwhp @ 22psi, and has never netted better then a 12.7 @ 113 at the track. His car cost $30k to build w/ cost of car.
At the track ... ****. I've seen one supra ever run better then a 13, and he ran a 10.2 and blew his engine on the run (ran 18;1 a/f) ouch.
Bring the hate.
A $6k single turbo kit from LS1 Motorsports will put you in the 450-500RWHP range on a stock LS1 @ 5-7PSI. No piston change, nothing. People are running mid-high 11s @ 120's @3800lbs with it. Relatively new kit - been out about a month. No chug chug.
My buddys bpu++ supra built and tuned at power house racing over 2 years ago made 425rwhp @ 22psi, and has never netted better then a 12.7 @ 113 at the track. His car cost $30k to build w/ cost of car.
At the track ... ****. I've seen one supra ever run better then a 13, and he ran a 10.2 and blew his engine on the run (ran 18;1 a/f) ouch.
Bring the hate.
12-04-02, 04:48 AM
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A turbo V8 would be nice in an FD, but there really isn't room. V8s are so wide you need blockhuggers just to clear the sides. Supra motors are nice, but too long. Same thing with the Skyline motor. What I want to see is a Buick GN motor in one, nice and short, and BIG power!
12-04-02, 07:31 AM
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Originally posted by Nathan Kwok
A turbo V8 would be nice in an FD, but there really isn't room. V8s are so wide you need blockhuggers just to clear the sides. Supra motors are nice, but too long. Same thing with the Skyline motor. What I want to see is a Buick GN motor in one, nice and short, and BIG power!
A turbo V8 would be nice in an FD, but there really isn't room. V8s are so wide you need blockhuggers just to clear the sides. Supra motors are nice, but too long. Same thing with the Skyline motor. What I want to see is a Buick GN motor in one, nice and short, and BIG power!
there already has been a gn motor installed, although it was in a fc...
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12-04-02, 01:11 PM
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when it comes to high horsepower, everyday drivability...I would rather have a turbo V8. Take LPE's vette for example. The car is a full weight with around 800 hp and runs high 8's in the 1/4! And it still retains the air conditioning and can be driven in traffic everyday! Now compare this with a 8-9 sec. supra.
link to video of the LPE 1/4 mile run:
http://www.lingenfelter.com/Video.asp
link to video of the LPE 1/4 mile run:
http://www.lingenfelter.com/Video.asp
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01-06-03, 11:50 AM
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i just wanna put in my two cents. domestics suck and if your an import driver stick to that. but to each his own right. secondly i'm from speed god, and can vouch personally that that's not our damn car. there's alot of rumors that float around about us and what we're doing but i can lay this one to rest. that is not our car in the pics.
01-06-03, 01:50 PM
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Originally posted by onetinyr
domestics suck and if your an import driver stick to that.
domestics suck and if your an import driver stick to that.
01-06-03, 02:51 PM
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imo, the biggest argument behind going with a V8 over the supra engine is that it doesn't screw up the steering geometry, it doesn't put as much weight in front of the front axle, and will, therefore, not effect the handling as much as the Supra I-6.
I'd like to see how much the supra motor weighs with all the plumbing attched. (I know the 13B-REW and LS1 are within a few pounds of one another ready to run - maybe the Supra motor is significantly different? doubt it).
I'd like to see how much the supra motor weighs with all the plumbing attched. (I know the 13B-REW and LS1 are within a few pounds of one another ready to run - maybe the Supra motor is significantly different? doubt it).
01-06-03, 07:44 PM
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to add my 2 cents, the statement about the domestic cars with 900hp, it happens, and a lot more than you guys are able to think.
****, there is no replacement for DENIAL. my very good friend ray t. here in mississipp has a 2k2 ws-6 t/a and it is the 5th fastest car on street tires in the usa. he has roughly 550WHP! he ran a 10.69 @ 139mph, and he won't show me the best timeslips that he has gotten.
****, with the $$ that i have shelled out for either of the 2 fd's that i have owned, i could be the 4th fastest F body in the country.
hp costs, no matter what. some is mor expensive than others. but once you get a car to a certain level, you can expect to dump 2x the $$ than you already have dumped into it.
i think that what ever someone is doing is what THEY want to do. everyone has their own opinion, and that is what makes these forum boards so diverse.
just do not hate cause you might be afraid the they will suck the paint off of your car...
****, there is no replacement for DENIAL. my very good friend ray t. here in mississipp has a 2k2 ws-6 t/a and it is the 5th fastest car on street tires in the usa. he has roughly 550WHP! he ran a 10.69 @ 139mph, and he won't show me the best timeslips that he has gotten.
****, with the $$ that i have shelled out for either of the 2 fd's that i have owned, i could be the 4th fastest F body in the country.
hp costs, no matter what. some is mor expensive than others. but once you get a car to a certain level, you can expect to dump 2x the $$ than you already have dumped into it.
i think that what ever someone is doing is what THEY want to do. everyone has their own opinion, and that is what makes these forum boards so diverse.
just do not hate cause you might be afraid the they will suck the paint off of your car...
01-06-03, 08:38 PM
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i have been talking to a guy in speedgod and he said its just a rumor and that they really dont got one. (speedgod=SG engineering=guys who supposedly did the swap)
01-06-03, 09:26 PM
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Originally posted by patrickclark
Racerfoo, where in Missouri you at? if you don't mind me asking.
Racerfoo, where in Missouri you at? if you don't mind me asking.
still, even with the rotary engine......add more displacement and zoooom zoooooooooooom. i guess there is a replacement......but you can always use that same technology with more displacement for more power.
03-02-06, 12:05 PM
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Originally Posted by MisRed
Maybe my next project if I can ever find a donor FD not worth it's weight in gold....
'93 FD with a Grand National motor!
11.3 first time to the track @ 127mph
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03-02-06, 02:17 PM
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Well, here is my 2 cents. It's true that there is no replacement for displacement. Straight up, the v-8 will have more power than a 2JZ; however, I have seen a 2JZ motor run 800+ hp on stock internals. Call me crazy, but i'd prefer the 2JZ over the v-8. However, i'd prefer rotary vs. anything else.
Whether you have a v-8, 2JZ, v-6, rotary, etc..., you can't put up high hp numbers without lots of money and time. It doesn't matter what you replace the stock motor with. The bottom line is, which ever motor you can get a hold should go in the engine compartment.
Whether you have a v-8, 2JZ, v-6, rotary, etc..., you can't put up high hp numbers without lots of money and time. It doesn't matter what you replace the stock motor with. The bottom line is, which ever motor you can get a hold should go in the engine compartment.
03-02-06, 04:37 PM
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Originally Posted by DrunkenBowler
Well, here is my 2 cents. It's true that there is no replacement for displacement. Straight up, the v-8 will have more power than a 2JZ; however, I have seen a 2JZ motor run 800+ hp on stock internals. Call me crazy, but i'd prefer the 2JZ over the v-8. However, i'd prefer rotary vs. anything else.
Whether you have a v-8, 2JZ, v-6, rotary, etc..., you can't put up high hp numbers without lots of money and time. It doesn't matter what you replace the stock motor with. The bottom line is, which ever motor you can get a hold should go in the engine compartment.
Whether you have a v-8, 2JZ, v-6, rotary, etc..., you can't put up high hp numbers without lots of money and time. It doesn't matter what you replace the stock motor with. The bottom line is, which ever motor you can get a hold should go in the engine compartment.
