YayeR

v8s wear panties?

ttb

apparently this one does...anytime any one mentions v8 he seems to get all pms'ing. everybody is entitled to opinions, no need to get personal.

supracosworth

My best friend runs a 1997 E36 6 speed M3 and I hang out with their M3 club regularly. At the last meet, we ran 0-100 (kph) times using the same G-Tech and the times, as I remember them are roughly as follows:-

E36 M3 5 speed with ECU in/ex mod -- 5.3 to 5.6 secs
E36 M3 6 speed with ECU, in/ex mod -- 5.1 to 5.5 secs
E46 M3 6 speed with no mods 5.1 to 5.6 secs
E36 Z3 6 speed M roadster with a/c and sound deadening material removed -- 4.7 sec
My Escort Cosworth 4.2
MY BPU++ Supra (tested on a different day) 4.8

There's not a lot of difference between the E36 and E46 M3s and it's all down to the driver. Didn't time my FD as the motor is blown but seat of pant tells me a well sorted sequential FD with DP intake and full exhaust should be able to smoke M3s easily. I've driven all the M3s (except for the roadster) and while power delivery is very linear and strong, they're not particularly torquey below 4,000rpm. From 4k to 7.5k, they pull like a Supra with a pretty major air leak Considering that they're NAs and "only" 3 litre in capacity, that's pretty impressive though.

Despite my Supra showing slightly slower time than the Z3 roadster from standstill (even the S03s can't get enough traction), rolling from 120 kph (not mph), the M3s are not even in my rear mirror by the time I hit 200kph

artguy

Id like to see avril's panties......under my bed.

In so cal i ran up against two supercharged m3s and two supercharged c5's

the supercharged m3 actually nosed out supercharged c5 by a car length when they raced.

i lost to both cars by exactly the same amount...one full car length. this was back when my mods consisted of intake/dp/catback/streetport/gforce ecu/13-14lbs of boost.


here is the real kicker to this conversation...of the two cars that i raced...the VETTE actually lost the motor first. the guy tore it down...put it all back to stock after the rebuild and sold it for a z06. the m3 went down a few months after. both cars were fully modified and tuned and the guys had the cash to support them.

the m3 was rebuilt...and bored out even more and he was running 6lbs of boost or so more last i saw him...the other guys z06 now has a supercharger.

Ive done about 80hp worth of mods since then too....it seems this fun never ends. all in all, the m3...the vette...and the my rx7 all went down during the same three month span.

I guess my point is..there comes a point in any vehicles modifications where the term "reliable" has a different meaning than one expects....regardless of the powerplant or manufacturer...**** breaks.


jason

jimlab

If your opinion happened to be ignorant and asinine, wouldn't you want to be made aware of it?

ttb

oh enlightened one please tell me why my opinion is ignorant and asinine. yea, my opinion is it is not a design defect to use a smaller inline 6 in the m3 rather than a bigger v8.

and if you're a pompous *** would you also like me to point that out to you?

93TTRX7

Ever since I can remember it has always been seen as chevy being the defect and BMW being "the ultimate driving machine."

It's cool that some of you v8 guys like to support the country and keep things domestic and all, but calling an I6 a defect makes you sound pretty ignorant. Why don't you go preach the v8 superiority over at the Supra boys? Go ask them how many 1000 hp motors they blow...

jimlab

Apparently you need to work on your reading comprehension. At no point did I mention the M3 or an "inline 6". My remarks were entirely and obviously directed toward your "nothing special about that" comment concerning V8 engines, hence the repetition of your words "nothing special about that".

Sure, if it makes you feel better.

ttb

let's walk through this....

original poster: it is a design defect to use the smaller inline 6 in the M3 instead of the bigger V8 to make power because you're trying to get too much power from a small engine

ttb: i disagree. i see getting 333 hp from an inline 6 as something great about the M3..."anybody" can use a bigger engine (in this case a V8) to make power, and that to me isn't that special

jimlab: what???!?? somebody mentioned that the V8 is not the greatest engine in the world. ignorant dumbass. V8s rule V8s rule.

apparently you need to learn how to read the entire thread and put things into context buddy.

edit:

if it's not 100% clear to you by now I wasn't referring to your V8 conversion, which apparently you think i am because you are taking this very personal, we're talking about the M3 and if BMW should have put a V8 in it. so don't take it too personal. chill out.

jimlab

Let's not. I'm well aware of what you said, the context in which you said it, and which part of what you said that I objected to. You, on the other hand, still don't get it.

That's the part I objected to...

I didn't say that, and your response further confirms your ignorance. My point was, and still is, that to dismiss an engine out of hand, because of the manufacturer or number of cylinders is ignorant and asinine. Statements like "anyone could make big power with a V8, there's nothing special about that" are exactly what I'm talking about.

I know you weren't, and I wouldn't care if you were.

Take your own advice.

ttb

let's see, i have an opinion that it's not "special" to use a bigger engine to make power if you could use a smaller engine. for that you say i'm an arrogant ***** that thinks too highly of himself and that my opinions are ignorant and asinine. you really need to get off your high horse and stop calling people ignorant and stupid for not agreeing with you. nowhere did i dismiss an engine base on manufacturer or number of cylinders. ****, i would love to have the m3 gtr with the v8. but i don't consider it a design defect to use the i6.

did i call tbielobockie ignorant and stupid even though i "objected" to his opinion?

what, because you got this special v8 conversion project going on everybody has to listen to you and you get to go around calling people ignorant if you object to their views?

should have know this coming from a guy that counts the number of posts people have in the lounge to tell them they have no life...

ArchangelX

Wow..I'm getting dizzy over here.

artguy

me too....what i want to know is how the conversation on here got switched away from tbie's rebel mobile.

lmao


j

ttb

haha...when did i say this? you know, with this mentality there would be no advances in civilization...yea, i do think it's a "badge of honor" to solve problems using new technology, etc. without pushing the envelope you don't know what's capable. and there's some "special" to me about this. and this has nothing to do with V8s, americans vs imports, or anything of that stuff.

93TTRX7

The thread got Hijacked

ptrhahn

iTrader: (9)

I'm happy to report that i finally got the ticking time bomb vs. ticking time bomb race i was looking for:

I nice new white M3.

Ran from a low 2nd gear speed, with M3 in the same lane, ahead of me. ran 2nd gear to readline, closing about two car lengths to his rear bumper, then had to let off early in third to avoid hitting him.

Amazingly, we both drove off with working motors, me with a shmutzier rear bumper, he with a shmutzier ego.

artguy

tbie needs a bitchslap!

hahahhaha

ttb

thanks for the writeup, but i already know the story of why bmw put the V8 in the M3 and how porsche complained blah blah blah. at this point i don't even know why i'm arguing with you two asses. you said it was a defect in the design to use the I6 (I'm talking about in the normal street driven M3 if that matters), and I disagree, and it is MY OPINION that if BWM had used the V8 to make 333 hp it would have not been "special."if you disgree so be it. instead jimlab and apparently you now think they own the world and call people asses for having different view points.

and BTW, don't contradict yourself loser. you're the one who said the design defect is they (BMW and mazda) are using exotic untested technology, now you say oh, it's not even more high tech....dumbass.

tinou

ttb

idiot. you wanna retract your ignorant statement now.

ttb

when did i say better?

A. BMW M3 with current 3.2L I6 producing 333hp
B. BMW M3 with 5.0L V8 producing 333hp

i think A is "special" and B isn't that big of a deal. end of discussion.

Mahjik

iTrader: (1)

Ok, the race never happened and this thread is another useless debate....