Gonna race an smg II '03 m3 tonight...any advice?
03-30-03, 03:45 AM
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well the race didn't happen...for whatever reason he flaked. It'll happen sometime this week so I'll post the kill (either way) when it happens...I did get a nice fix it ticket for no front license plate tonight though. He didn't even give me a chance to explain...lol he just had it written. I was at the wrong place at the wrong time anyway though.
And thanks for all the replies...I know how quick my car is, and I know I am a more than capable driver. I just wasn't so familiar with the m3's. All I knew was they had 333 hp and ran low 13's (manual form). But I'm gonna give it a shot...and I hope to prove Twin Turbo Teddy wrong :-p I've beat many cars that I had no chance against before
And thanks for all the replies...I know how quick my car is, and I know I am a more than capable driver. I just wasn't so familiar with the m3's. All I knew was they had 333 hp and ran low 13's (manual form). But I'm gonna give it a shot...and I hope to prove Twin Turbo Teddy wrong :-p I've beat many cars that I had no chance against before
03-30-03, 03:58 AM
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it's funny...i never drove the FD in my life. yet i own one (it is in a process of getting built in the garage). But I have driven the SMG M3...fast isn't the word. When driving it makes you want to POOP in you pants! NO thottle lag what so ever (NA), GREAT response in every WAY possible. The light-ness might help you on tight turns but M3 HAS plenty of grip.
Good luck dude.
Good luck dude.
03-30-03, 04:45 AM
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I raced a new M3 from a 20mph roll in 1st gear up to about 80 (at which point, I let off since we were on a city street -- deserted at 2am but stupid anyway). He got the jump from the get go but he wasn't pulling away from me at all. I don't know what transmission he had as I didn't get a chance to ask him. This was back before I got a boost controller and my boost was only 7 psi after 6k rpm -- dynoed at 240 rwhp with downpipe and RB dual-tip.
Provided you drive well, I would say you will hang with him at the least and may pull on him slightly. Apparently there's some "secret spy method" of launching hard with the SMG tranny, otherwise it will not launch hard. If he's not aware of this, you could eat him for lunch out of the hole.
Provided you drive well, I would say you will hang with him at the least and may pull on him slightly. Apparently there's some "secret spy method" of launching hard with the SMG tranny, otherwise it will not launch hard. If he's not aware of this, you could eat him for lunch out of the hole.
03-30-03, 10:04 AM
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i love m-3 especially the new ones. raced one two weeks ago. from 50mph on a clear highway and had about 3-4 car lengths on him by 140 when i let off.. running 12lbs of boost. good luck...seemed pretty quick.. i had a passenger(my gf).
03-30-03, 10:22 AM
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....funny how some of you keep mentioning that the 7 could probably hang or just MIGHT beat the E46...
the key to the 7 is BOOST! If you're running only 10lbs of boost.... YOU WILL lose. You need to be capable of doing low 13' to high 12's on street tires.... don't guestimate what something can do if you haven't driven one...
...JUST REMEMBER THAT THE E46'S ARE RACE-BREAD, ALL THE WAY FROM THE SUSPENSION TO THE COMPUTER... THE BEST TECHNOLOGY MADE FOR OVERALL PEAK PERFORMANCE FOR A DAILY DRIVEN CAR... THE 7 ISN'T... UNLESS YOU'RE RUNNING AN AFTER MARKET COMPUTER LIKE THE PFC TO PROPERLY GIVE SUFFIFIENT ENOUGH AIR AND FUEL FOR THE BOOST - I WOULDN'T RECOMMEND RACING ON THE FREEWAY... TRUST ME - YOU WILL - I REPEAT - YOU WILL BLOW YOUR MOTOR. If you were to do a poll on how many 7's have blown their motor on the freeways vs the track, you'll find that 99% of them will be on the freeway.
STOCK for STOCK the 2001 and up E46's will eat the 7 alive, period.
...with the mod's that I have, sure, I'll drive around it in circles...
... well 93TTTRx7... just have fun doing it... and don't end up the ditch...
car 53
the key to the 7 is BOOST! If you're running only 10lbs of boost.... YOU WILL lose. You need to be capable of doing low 13' to high 12's on street tires.... don't guestimate what something can do if you haven't driven one...
...JUST REMEMBER THAT THE E46'S ARE RACE-BREAD, ALL THE WAY FROM THE SUSPENSION TO THE COMPUTER... THE BEST TECHNOLOGY MADE FOR OVERALL PEAK PERFORMANCE FOR A DAILY DRIVEN CAR... THE 7 ISN'T... UNLESS YOU'RE RUNNING AN AFTER MARKET COMPUTER LIKE THE PFC TO PROPERLY GIVE SUFFIFIENT ENOUGH AIR AND FUEL FOR THE BOOST - I WOULDN'T RECOMMEND RACING ON THE FREEWAY... TRUST ME - YOU WILL - I REPEAT - YOU WILL BLOW YOUR MOTOR. If you were to do a poll on how many 7's have blown their motor on the freeways vs the track, you'll find that 99% of them will be on the freeway.
STOCK for STOCK the 2001 and up E46's will eat the 7 alive, period.
...with the mod's that I have, sure, I'll drive around it in circles...
... well 93TTTRx7... just have fun doing it... and don't end up the ditch...
car 53
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03-30-03, 10:34 AM
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I beg to differ with car 53, though I do respect his opinion since he has a wealth of info with cars and racing. Wade lanham's site and wideband testing has shown that the stock ecu is plenty rich to run the intake, dp, cat-back at 10 psi and still be in the 10's on the wideband. Sure its only 10 psi, but its more rwhp than the 10 psi a stock car tends to make (215 to 220 rwhp for a stock car in good health). I'd pay for the dyno pull for 93TTRX7 just to see what hp he's making right now just out of curioisty. And I don't think his engine will blow at WOT on the freeway in 3rd and 4th gear.
Tim
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03-30-03, 10:36 AM
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Originally posted by r_ed_line53
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...I WOULDN'T RECOMMEND RACING ON THE FREEWAY... TRUST ME - YOU WILL - I REPEAT - YOU WILL BLOW YOUR MOTOR. If you were to do a poll on how many 7's have blown their motor on the freeways vs the track, you'll find that 99% of them will be on the freeway.
STOCK for STOCK the 2001 and up E46's will eat the 7 alive, period.
....
...I WOULDN'T RECOMMEND RACING ON THE FREEWAY... TRUST ME - YOU WILL - I REPEAT - YOU WILL BLOW YOUR MOTOR. If you were to do a poll on how many 7's have blown their motor on the freeways vs the track, you'll find that 99% of them will be on the freeway.
STOCK for STOCK the 2001 and up E46's will eat the 7 alive, period.
Come on....you have to be kidding me man....if his car or any 7 for that matter is tuned properly you dont have to ***** foot around...that is ridiculous.
At only 10 psi and his mods he is more then safe to whip it around on the hwy. Dont be so pesimistic (sp?)
Bottom line..his car isnt stock....hp to weight ratios are very close...my money is put on the better driver....as the cars are very equally matched.
03-30-03, 10:47 AM
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You don't need high boost to make a lot of power. Rikki made 349hp at 11psi, and I've seen dyno plots of single turbos making nearly 400 at 10psi. Despite these encouraging things, I'd have to give the advantage to the M3, albeit slightly. You'll be nervous, so will he, but he can just slap it into auto mode and slam on the gas, and if its from a stop, he has launch control 
. Good luck though.
. Good luck though.
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You don't need high boost to make a lot of power. Rikki made 349hp at 11psi, and I've seen dyno plots of single turbos making nearly 400 at 10psi. Despite these encouraging things, I'd have to give the advantage to the M3, albeit slightly. You'll be nervous, so will he, but he can just slap it into auto mode and slam on the gas, and if its from a stop, he has launch control . Good luck though.
. Good luck though.
03-30-03, 10:56 AM
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I wouldn't bring up Rikki, since I've yet to hear anyone think it was at 11 psi. Beside, the dyno plot was at std hp, not sae. I've checked all my dyno plots at the dyno and switched them to std hp, off sae and I lost 5 to 8 rwhp by doing so depending on the correction factor. So sae hp Rikki was making about 341 to 344 rwhp at some boost pressure. Not doubting the rhwp, just not the 11 psi.
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03-30-03, 12:37 PM
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Originally posted by jimlab
They are compared to an '02 or newer Z06.
Get a new Z06.
They are compared to an '02 or newer Z06.
Get a new Z06.
of course, i've never really even raced my 7, just little road pulls...so i dont have experience like you guys...just thinking logically. power/weight ratios and common 1/4 times for each car are close, whether the 7 is "race bread" or not.
as for a z06....i'll take 2!
03-30-03, 03:40 PM
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Originally posted by Tim Benton
... I'd pay for the dyno pull for 93TTRX7 just to see what hp he's making right now just out of curioisty....
Tim
... I'd pay for the dyno pull for 93TTRX7 just to see what hp he's making right now just out of curioisty....
Tim
03-30-03, 05:57 PM
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Originally posted by Mark'sMazda
I think those run low 13's.
A guy in my club ran a 13.53 with only a DP. His car is a low milage mint example, but with your mods, *if you can drive* you should atleast keep up.
I think those run low 13's.
A guy in my club ran a 13.53 with only a DP. His car is a low milage mint example, but with your mods, *if you can drive* you should atleast keep up.
03-30-03, 10:47 PM
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if you do lose we should go to bimmerfest and show them what the rx-7 is really all about...well, not me, but the the fast rx-7s can go :p
(and hey, the greddy smic isn't cheesy, i just spent $1200 on it
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(and hey, the greddy smic isn't cheesy, i just spent $1200 on it
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03-30-03, 10:53 PM
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Originally posted by matty
crap why did i buy this car...i cant run thru the gears on the hwy....what i am gonna do?
Come on....you have to be kidding me man....if his car or any 7 for that matter is tuned properly you dont have to ***** foot around...that is ridiculous.
At only 10 psi and his mods he is more then safe to whip it around on the hwy. Dont be so pesimistic (sp?)
Bottom line..his car isnt stock....hp to weight ratios are very close...my money is put on the better driver....as the cars are very equally matched.
crap why did i buy this car...i cant run thru the gears on the hwy....what i am gonna do?
Come on....you have to be kidding me man....if his car or any 7 for that matter is tuned properly you dont have to ***** foot around...that is ridiculous.
At only 10 psi and his mods he is more then safe to whip it around on the hwy. Dont be so pesimistic (sp?)
Bottom line..his car isnt stock....hp to weight ratios are very close...my money is put on the better driver....as the cars are very equally matched.
...no doubt you are safe @ 10 lbs of boost using the stock turbos... just note the integrity of the down pipe and the straight pipe once you start playing with 12 or more lbs of boost on a stock computer... it was more of a warning than anything... bottom line, you will blow your motor if you don't have the air/fuel ratio going through the 7's heart... I guess I learned the hard way myself, 'cause I blew about 5 motors on my '87 TII, before getting the FCON... but hey some of us learn the hard way... keep your car stock as possible and yes, mash the freeways of hell if you will... but start pushing for more hp and be prepared to meet the consequenses... PESIMISTIC isn't the word more like REALISTIC... ACTION speaks louder than words and @ 10lbs of boost... well... I believe you hit it on the nose... "IF the car is tuned properly..." so the question is, is his car tuned properly... has he taken it down the 1320 to see what he is capable of doing... not the dyno, the strip... the real deal... the true test for the car as well as the driver... I'm not trying to rattle any rotors here... just saying like it is... and if he should beat this guy... good for you... I give you props for beating him w/ only 10lbs of boost on the stock computer...
so let us know when you make a kill... again good luck...
see ya,
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03-31-03, 12:14 AM
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Originally posted by twinturboteddy
Why does every wanna be internet engineer/kid think that these cars are slow?
Have any of you other than r_ed_line53, have any real world experience up against the M3?
They are NOT slow cars as you would like to assume they are.
Why does every wanna be internet engineer/kid think that these cars are slow?
Have any of you other than r_ed_line53, have any real world experience up against the M3?
They are NOT slow cars as you would like to assume they are.
Being an SMGII, he can have a perfect launch with very little effort, so I'd be carefull about racing him from a dead dig. M3s are also quick cars on the freeway. They pull hard all the way up to redline and don't give out on the top-end. Power doesn't trail off in the upper-RPM range like many other cars.
Unless you are pulling 110+ traps, in which with your setup is very doubtfull, don't race him for any large amounts of money.
03-31-03, 04:32 AM
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Originally posted by JoeD
Being an SMGII, he can have a perfect launch with very little effort, so I'd be carefull about racing him from a dead dig. M3s are also quick cars on the freeway. They pull hard all the way up to redline and don't give out on the top-end. Power doesn't trail off in the upper-RPM range like many other cars.
Unless you are pulling 110+ traps, in which with your setup is very doubtfull, don't race him for any large amounts of money.
Being an SMGII, he can have a perfect launch with very little effort, so I'd be carefull about racing him from a dead dig. M3s are also quick cars on the freeway. They pull hard all the way up to redline and don't give out on the top-end. Power doesn't trail off in the upper-RPM range like many other cars.
Unless you are pulling 110+ traps, in which with your setup is very doubtfull, don't race him for any large amounts of money.
03-31-03, 07:27 AM
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...make sure you're wearing sticky tires... if all you're going to do is spin your tires... you're going to lose... wouldn't hurt to use a pair of drag radials... that should even up the launch... or tires that have a 120 or less treadwear on them would do too...
...so race this guy already...
see ya,
car 53
...so race this guy already...
see ya,
car 53
03-31-03, 07:42 AM
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Originally posted by r_ed_line53
... keep your car stock as possible
car 53
... keep your car stock as possible
car 53
makes me nervous....