Fuel Cut-Off is a very scarry thing!!
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Fuel Cut-Off is a very scary thing!!
I let her go at 80mph WOT and the boost jumped to 18psi. I let off the throttle and brought the boost down to 10psi. I was only half way depressed on the gas pedal.
I could hear the exhaust being propelled through the Magnaflow as it gave that awesome sounding roar while the car was gaining speeeeeed. The Tach read about 5500 rpm and I was going about 130mph when it happended, FUEL CUT-OFF.
Very, Very scary thing. I thought I had blown the engine. But it didn't. Everything seems to be allright. WHY does/did the ECU do that if I'm able to maintain the boost at 10psi. A/F mixture to lean I suppose...??? Profec B II is on the way!!
I could hear the exhaust being propelled through the Magnaflow as it gave that awesome sounding roar while the car was gaining speeeeeed. The Tach read about 5500 rpm and I was going about 130mph when it happended, FUEL CUT-OFF.
Very, Very scary thing. I thought I had blown the engine. But it didn't. Everything seems to be allright. WHY does/did the ECU do that if I'm able to maintain the boost at 10psi. A/F mixture to lean I suppose...??? Profec B II is on the way!!
Last edited by areXseven; 09-22-03 at 11:55 AM.
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holy-****! That many mods and you're still on the stock ECU?? Or am I just not seeing it in your sig?
Dude, I'd get that fixed ASAP. If you were boosting 18 psi on the stock ECU, it's an absolute miracle you haven't popped the motor already...
As for the fuel cut-off... seems kinda odd that it happened at 5500RPM at 10 psi. If it was holding at 10psi, then fuel shouldn't have cut off... hmmm.... I don't think I've heard of that happening before.
Dude, I'd get that fixed ASAP. If you were boosting 18 psi on the stock ECU, it's an absolute miracle you haven't popped the motor already...
As for the fuel cut-off... seems kinda odd that it happened at 5500RPM at 10 psi. If it was holding at 10psi, then fuel shouldn't have cut off... hmmm.... I don't think I've heard of that happening before.
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You were above 10 psi.....the stock ecu only cuts fuel if you are overboosting for more than a second. I believe overboost at that rpm is about 11 psi.
Also, the Profec is only going to be able to help you to a point. At some point, your wastegate is going to be overwhelmed and you won't be able to lower your boost below that point.
You really need a Pettit Unlimited ecu, at a minimum, and preferably a PFC. To be safe, you are also going to want to upgrade your fuel system if you can't keep your boost below 13 psi or so. And get a better intercooler....
Also, the Profec is only going to be able to help you to a point. At some point, your wastegate is going to be overwhelmed and you won't be able to lower your boost below that point.
You really need a Pettit Unlimited ecu, at a minimum, and preferably a PFC. To be safe, you are also going to want to upgrade your fuel system if you can't keep your boost below 13 psi or so. And get a better intercooler....
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yeah, 11-12 psi. That sounds about right, now that I think about it. It's extremely hard to hold the throttle half-way to maintain a desired boost level (especially when you are doing 100+ mph). Most likely, it crept up slightly and thats when fuel-cut kicked in.
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Originally posted by saxyman990
yeah, 11-12 psi. That sounds about right, now that I think about it. It's extremely hard to hold the throttle half-way to maintain a desired boost level (especially when you are doing 100+ mph). Most likely, it crept up slightly and thats when fuel-cut kicked in.
yeah, 11-12 psi. That sounds about right, now that I think about it. It's extremely hard to hold the throttle half-way to maintain a desired boost level (especially when you are doing 100+ mph). Most likely, it crept up slightly and thats when fuel-cut kicked in.
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Originally posted by neevosh
This is what the fuel cut #'s are.
RPM ABS. CUT OFF(PSI) SEA LEVEL CUT OFF(PSI)
1000 26.5 11.8
1500 26.5 11.8
2000 26.5 11.8
2500 26.5 11.8
3000 26.9 12.2
3500 27.1 12.4
4000 27.5 12.8
4500 28.0 13.3
5000 26.9 12.2
5500 26.0 11.3
6000 25.8 11.1
6500 25.4 10.7
7000 25.4 10.7
Mazda took into account that there may be boost spikes at transition and raised the cut-off pressure. Also, boost has to be sustained above the cut-off pressure for a certain period of time before the fuel cut takes place.
This is what the fuel cut #'s are.
RPM ABS. CUT OFF(PSI) SEA LEVEL CUT OFF(PSI)
1000 26.5 11.8
1500 26.5 11.8
2000 26.5 11.8
2500 26.5 11.8
3000 26.9 12.2
3500 27.1 12.4
4000 27.5 12.8
4500 28.0 13.3
5000 26.9 12.2
5500 26.0 11.3
6000 25.8 11.1
6500 25.4 10.7
7000 25.4 10.7
Mazda took into account that there may be boost spikes at transition and raised the cut-off pressure. Also, boost has to be sustained above the cut-off pressure for a certain period of time before the fuel cut takes place.
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ECU will help but you need ot port your wastegate. Virtually the same thing happened to me, but I wasn't as lucky. Stock wastegate cannot keep up with the extra flow of a MP.
Oh yah, I had a fully tuned PFC at the time.
Oh yah, I had a fully tuned PFC at the time.
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So I need to :
1). Upgrade ECU
2). Install Boost Cont.
3). Port Wastegate
4). Install larger IC (FMIC??)
5). Upgrade Primary/Secondary Injectors
6). What else????????
1). Upgrade ECU
2). Install Boost Cont.
3). Port Wastegate
4). Install larger IC (FMIC??)
5). Upgrade Primary/Secondary Injectors
6). What else????????
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Originally posted by areXseven
So I need to :
1). Upgrade ECU
2). Install Boost Cont.
3). Port Wastegate
4). Install larger IC (FMIC??)
5). Upgrade Primary/Secondary Injectors
6). What else????????
So I need to :
1). Upgrade ECU
2). Install Boost Cont.
3). Port Wastegate
4). Install larger IC (FMIC??)
5). Upgrade Primary/Secondary Injectors
6). What else????????
The easiest and cheapest way to go right now would be:
1. Boost controller
2. Hi-flo cat
That would bring your boost under control.
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Everything changed when I installed the Magnaflow. Should I buy one that has 2.5" outlets?? Or buy a Cat-Conv. and have it installed in the middle of the MP.?? And of course, the B/C.
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Originally posted by areXseven
Everything changed when I installed the Magnaflow. Should I buy one that has 2.5" outlets?? Or buy a Cat-Conv. and have it installed in the middle of the MP.?? And of course, the B/C.
Everything changed when I installed the Magnaflow. Should I buy one that has 2.5" outlets?? Or buy a Cat-Conv. and have it installed in the middle of the MP.?? And of course, the B/C.
Like I said, it really depends on the type of goals you want for your car.
I would get the hi-flo cat installed and the boost controller. Those two will keep you in the safe zone until you can figure out what exactly you want out of your car.
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IMO, I would go with the cat. I'm not a fan of midpipes so I'm not going to suggest you keep the one you have installed on there.
Like I said, it really depends on the type of goals you want for your car.
I would get the hi-flo cat installed and the boost controller. Those two will keep you in the safe zone until you can figure out what exactly you want out of your car.
IMO, I would go with the cat. I'm not a fan of midpipes so I'm not going to suggest you keep the one you have installed on there.
Like I said, it really depends on the type of goals you want for your car.
I would get the hi-flo cat installed and the boost controller. Those two will keep you in the safe zone until you can figure out what exactly you want out of your car.
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Originally posted by Mahjik
.... Like I said, it really depends on the type of goals you want for your car.
.... Like I said, it really depends on the type of goals you want for your car.
Only Goals: To make it into a "dependable" 350-375 rwhp FD.
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Only Goals: To make it into a "dependable" 350-375 rwhp FD.
Only Goals: To make it into a "dependable" 350-375 rwhp FD.
In short, he's about what you'll need in mods for that kind of power (keep in mind, this is a "reliable" list" and assuming the auto tranny can hold it):
1. Programmable ECU
2. 1200cc Secondaries (they seem to have less problems than the 1300cc)
3. Upgrade fuel pump
4. FMIC or Large SMIC
5. Medium sized Streetport
The rest of the things you'll need depend on if you are looking at just a dyno number or if you are looking to run that kind of power on the street daily. What I mean is that many people dyno their cars at 15 or more PSI, however they don't run any more than 12 or 13 PSI on the street for normal driving (some run even less). The reason is it's less wear on their components. If you are planning on running that kind of power daily, I would recommend aftermarket turbos. You can get that kind of power out of stock turbos, but you'll probably tear them up fairly quickly running them that hard all the time. The easiest way to get larger HP numbers is to switch to a single turbo.
IMO, you should think more about what kind of behavior you want for your car more than reaching a magical HP number. For instance, single turbos will have a different driving experience than the stock twin turbos, upgraded twin turbos will feel different as well as having non-seq turbos.
My recommendation is to get the hi-flo cat and boost controller. Enjoy the car and think about either selling it for a 5-speed or doing the conversion yourself. After that, you'll be in a better position to shoot for those higher HP numbers if that's still your goal.
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Originally posted by Mahjik
My recommendation is to get the hi-flo cat and boost controller. Enjoy the car and think about either selling it for a 5-speed or doing the conversion yourself. After that, you'll be in a better position to shoot for those higher HP numbers if that's still your goal.
My recommendation is to get the hi-flo cat and boost controller. Enjoy the car and think about either selling it for a 5-speed or doing the conversion yourself. After that, you'll be in a better position to shoot for those higher HP numbers if that's still your goal.
It's the only FD in the Corpus area, so it gets alot of attention as it is. I'm having bookoos of fun with it on a daily basis.
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