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Old Jul 14, 2014 | 05:14 AM
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Anybody know of a "cheap" source for AN fittings? I know the words cheap and AN fitting don't really fit in the same sentence, but I thought Id ask. I know there are some made in China options that are quite cheap, but Id feel weary using something like that without confirmation from somebody here who's used the same brand and can vouch for it. Any info would be appreciated.

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Old Jul 14, 2014 | 06:05 AM
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Summit Racing has their own brand of AN hose ends that are a bit cheaper than the name brands.

I would just be leery if mixing and matching brand of hose with brand of fitting.
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Old Jul 14, 2014 | 07:05 AM
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Verocious motorsports carries Fragola and Vibrant for fair prices. I've used both. Both worked well.
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Old Jul 14, 2014 | 08:04 AM
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i've used china fittings for many years, never had one fail.
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Old Jul 14, 2014 | 08:14 AM
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Stick with known good brand, I had Summit Racing and Fragola fitting leaks right out of the box, those are definitely hit or miss.
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Old Jul 14, 2014 | 10:32 AM
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You can get a "lot" of fittings on ebay both new and used, good brands too. Earl's and aeroquip etc. I got a lot of earls -10 for 80 bucks, it had 15 or so fittings. good luck
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Old Jul 14, 2014 | 11:51 AM
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I have a mix of Earls, Russels, AeroQuip Pro, and Jegs. Jegs is the cheapest ones I have used. They're not bad in terms of quality but they definitly work when on a budget.

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I also put Permatex High Performance Thread Sealant on the threads just to be safe. I know, its not needed with AN fittings but I like have that peace of mind when using cheaper fittings.
http://www.permatex.com/products-2/p...sealant-detail
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Old Jul 14, 2014 | 12:23 PM
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The threads are not a sealing surface. Why would you do that?

Unless it is something like a weak loctite to prevent it from vibrating loose? And even then it is not recommended.

Buy the little gasket rings if you want to be safe and have the extra sealing capability.
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Old Jul 14, 2014 | 12:38 PM
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Originally Posted by ondabirdhouse
I have a mix of Earls, Russels, AeroQuip Pro, and Jegs. Jegs is the cheapest ones I have used. They're not bad in terms of quality but they definitly work when on a budget.

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I also put Permatex High Performance Thread Sealant on the threads just to be safe. I know, its not needed with AN fittings but I like have that peace of mind when using cheaper fittings.
Thread Sealants : Permatex® High Performance Thread Sealant
Yeah, not only is this an incorrect waste of time but it also raises the risk that the sealant will get in to the fluid in the line. -an fittings seal with the 37* chamfer, NOT the threads.

-J
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Old Jul 14, 2014 | 12:45 PM
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Are we talking about AN Adapters, such as those used to convert the oil cooler lines over, or AN Hose Ends that thread onto said adapters when using AN hoses for the oil coolers?

Even though I live quite close to Jegs and my oil cooler hoses & hose ends are their 10AN Push-Loc ones, the associated M16x1.5 and M18x1.5 adapters are from a shop just outside of London. Unless there is an immediate need for a fitting or adapter, my source (including currency conversion and shipping) is about 2/3 of the cost of Jegs or Mazdatrix for just the parts.

As for hoses, Jegs is usually the least expensive and most convenient when utilizing their brand. I've not had any issue with mixing 03an lines from Jegs with adapters from my british source. Just remember to replace all crush washers with copper ones
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Old Jul 14, 2014 | 06:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Monkman33
The threads are not a sealing surface. Why would you do that?

Unless it is something like a weak loctite to prevent it from vibrating loose? And even then it is not recommended.

Buy the little gasket rings if you want to be safe and have the extra sealing capability.
Yes, that is one reason. Its less of a sealant and more of a thread protector...from Galling. When you tighten down the fitting the sealing surface is not the threads as you said. However, the threads on the both fittings being joined see a lot of friction in order to achieve a good seal. "Galling is a form of wear caused by adhesion between sliding surfaces." Normally the Anodized coating aids in preventing galling but when you use cheap inexpensive fittings like jegs and summit brand it can become an issue due to lesser quality Anodize/fitting. The Thread Sealant acts as a lubricator and also prevents the fittings from wiggling/loosening when the sealant cures.

I understand its not needed, just like rx7 owners who premix a little of 2 stroke in their tanks (in addtion to running an OMP). Its for peace of mind.

Here is a very good but brief explanation of Galling by Fastenal
https://www.fastenal.com/content/fed...%20Galling.pdf
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galling
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Yeah, not only is this an incorrect waste of time but it also raises the risk that the sealant will get in to the fluid in the line. -an fittings seal with the 37* chamfer, NOT the threads.

-J
I never knew there was a *CORRECT waste of time. And it only raises the risk if you apply it IMPROPERLY.
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Old Jul 14, 2014 | 06:25 PM
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I usually use some nuclear grade anti-seize to prevent galling.

Hadn't though about it much since I am not using steel fittings. I may just use a tad of the stuff on all of my fittings juat in case. Can't really hurt unless I use too much.... much like pre mix. ;-)
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Old Jul 14, 2014 | 06:34 PM
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Exactly!!! As long as it holds. I don't want to see my baby burst into flames at a stop light. hahah
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Old Jul 14, 2014 | 07:00 PM
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Originally Posted by ondabirdhouse
Yes, that is one reason. Its less of a sealant and more of a thread protector...from Galling. When you tighten down the fitting the sealing surface is not the threads as you said. However, the threads on the both fittings being joined see a lot of friction in order to achieve a good seal. "Galling is a form of wear caused by adhesion between sliding surfaces." Normally the Anodized coating aids in preventing galling but when you use cheap inexpensive fittings like jegs and summit brand it can become an issue due to lesser quality Anodize/fitting. The Thread Sealant acts as a lubricator and also prevents the fittings from wiggling/loosening when the sealant cures.

I understand its not needed, just like rx7 owners who premix a little of 2 stroke in their tanks (in addtion to running an OMP). Its for peace of mind.

Here is a very good but brief explanation of Galling by Fastenal
https://www.fastenal.com/content/fed...%20Galling.pdf
And Wiki
Galling - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



I never knew there was a *CORRECT waste of time. And it only raises the risk if you apply it IMPROPERLY.
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Old Jul 14, 2014 | 07:55 PM
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I've used Summit's own fitting for a while now and they hold up well.
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Old Jul 14, 2014 | 08:34 PM
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I use XRP fittings, and what I've noticed is that they are more compact than many others, including Aeroquip—the radiuses are tighter, legs shorter, etc. which does make a difference in how you can build. And, their forged bends are even more compact.

They also have a double cutting insert that goes into the hose, and between the rubber liner and the braid for whatever that's worth..
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Old Jul 15, 2014 | 07:45 AM
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You always get what you pay for... and on a fuel system I dont think I would skimp or you could watch your beloved car burn to the ground.

That said I use the Summit Racing brand fittings and they work great.
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Old Jul 15, 2014 | 01:31 PM
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Originally Posted by ZE Power MX6
Stick with known good brand, I had Summit Racing and Fragola fitting leaks right out of the box, those are definitely hit or miss.
this same thing has happened to me.



i only use the aeroquip socketless fittings and hose now.

simple assembly, and a completely solid hose/fitting seal that you literally have to CUT off to re-do.
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Old Jul 15, 2014 | 07:55 PM
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Just ordered and received my fittings and hose from batinc.net (xlr8 recommended them)
Nice quality, good price, great customer service
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Old Jul 16, 2014 | 12:40 AM
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That's a good source too, their silver and black fittings are the same stuff as Mr. Gasket, which is what I use.
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Old Jul 16, 2014 | 01:19 AM
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I have ran all brands and never had one leak of cause a problem.
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Old Jul 18, 2014 | 03:57 AM
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Thanks for the input guys.
Im leaning towards this stuff:
Goodridge G-Line XF 910.
Carbon impregnated PTFE, kevlar fabric braid, light weight, and around $14/ft for -6 and $19 for -8.
Also the "olive-less" reusable fittings they make for this hose is reasonable at around $15-20/fitting.
I think Ill give it a shot.
Interestingly, I see websites listing the hose for like $30-40/ft, then most fall around the low $20s, but this plumbing monkey site has the best deals by far.
910-06 - G-Line XF Series Aramid Braided Hose -
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Old Jul 24, 2014 | 06:07 PM
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all fittings are made to the same tolerances. I would just match manufacturers when assembling them.

Summit and Jegs brand work fine.
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Old Aug 2, 2014 | 04:35 AM
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Thanks for the info guys.

I ended up getting the Goodridge 910 and their olive-less reusable hose ends.
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So far Im pretty impressed. The hose is feather light and insanely flexible for teflon, and the hose ends are very easy to work with.
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How was the service and shipping from that website?

And are those fittings compatible with the Koul parts assembly kit?
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