Fire Extinguishers
02-24-04, 01:35 AM
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I have to do this too. Want to put it in the pass. side storage bin but want a bigger sized extinguisher than what would fit normally. It looks like I'm going to be cutting the bottom and the inner panel towards the center of the storagebins to mount it. I'm putting the battery in the driverside bin like jimlabs' setup so may as well kill two birds.
02-24-04, 06:21 AM
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how about where the spare is ?? is there enough room to tuck a good sized one in there?? i will NEED a fire extinguisher once this beast is running
02-24-04, 10:13 AM
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If you see black or brown smoke seeping from the hood edges, you want access to it as fast as humanly possible. Every second counts as the repair cost goes up. Keep that in mind where deciding to mount one.
02-24-04, 10:24 AM
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Originally posted by Toadman
If you see black or brown smoke seeping from the hood edges, you want access to it as fast as humanly possible. Every second counts as the repair cost goes up. Keep that in mind where deciding to mount one.
If you see black or brown smoke seeping from the hood edges, you want access to it as fast as humanly possible. Every second counts as the repair cost goes up. Keep that in mind where deciding to mount one.
simple scenario...you get hit from behind, front gets smashed, you end up w/ an engine fire. since the rear is messed up, you can't open the trunk...now what? watch your extinguisher in the back go up in flames...lol
that...and im also thinking of another worst case scenario, where space is limited, and you can't move much. you may need to be able to QUICKLY reach for the extinguisher. even the bins is too much a hassle for me (IMHO). If i thought on top of the bins was sturdy, i woulda done it. but to me your best shot is passenger side, right in front of the seat (so it wont interfere w/ the passenger's legs). chances are, if you can't get to it there, you won't be able to get to anything anywhere...
02-24-04, 12:26 PM
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No it's not Turbo'd
I had mine in the glove compartment, but it got stolen when I flipped it, and it sat @ the wrecking yard... 
But I say, replace Fuel Pulsation Dampeners and Pri. Injectors often 50k-60k per set and stop useing FTBE in your fuel, in Ca. and you should be fine... but it's not a bad idea to carry a backup plan...
But I say, replace Fuel Pulsation Dampeners and Pri. Injectors often 50k-60k per set and stop useing FTBE in your fuel, in Ca. and you should be fine... but it's not a bad idea to carry a backup plan...
02-24-04, 02:13 PM
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Originally posted by OC94Rx7
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I mounted mine in the trunk behind my rear seats. It's attached to the above compartment lid. Very easy to remove. If it does fly aound it won't hit me
unless I roll the car and then I have many other things to worry about
//Oliver
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I mounted mine in the trunk behind my rear seats. It's attached to the above compartment lid. Very easy to remove. If it does fly aound it won't hit me
unless I roll the car and then I have many other things to worry about //Oliver
How are you going to get to that super fast when your car is going up in smoke?
02-24-04, 02:17 PM
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They're not THAT expensive. I think I have the first model. Mounted like the first pic above (between the bins) except that the nozzle is facing forward. Small price anyway given the potential benefit.
http://www.h3r.com/products/home_vehicle.htm
http://www.h3r.com/products/home_vehicle.htm
02-24-04, 06:52 PM
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If I am not mistaken I believe the best option would be to have a mounted fire extinguisher system, that is piped to the engine bay, Halon would be best, but i believe the UK has laws preventing the use of halon in these conditions. Second to that a small handheld fire extingusher to distinguish small cab fires would be required.
In the event of an engine fire, a switch or button can be pressed and the fire will be extinguished by the halon, and any cab fires can be extinguished with an extinguisher which could quite easily be stored safely in the front of the cab.
I read of a company that makes systems like this somewhere on the net, I will post the site when I find it. I just have a small power extinguisher in the passenger footwell.. if the car goes up, and I dont die, then the insurance will pay up
In the event of an engine fire, a switch or button can be pressed and the fire will be extinguished by the halon, and any cab fires can be extinguished with an extinguisher which could quite easily be stored safely in the front of the cab.
I read of a company that makes systems like this somewhere on the net, I will post the site when I find it. I just have a small power extinguisher in the passenger footwell.. if the car goes up, and I dont die, then the insurance will pay up
02-24-04, 08:51 PM
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If you mean "prohibitively expensive" by best, then yea...maybe...
You have any idea how much it costs to equip a car that sort of system? If ya don't, there's a reason...lol
I would never use any system or extinguisher other than a halon one, for the simple reason that I'm not gettin my ish messed up by some stupid film that other extinguishers leave on everything they're sprayed on...and its next to permanent. That, and halons work SOO much better and faster than any other extinguisher available (hence their use on aircrafts)
Now would I ever use halon as a system inside a car or any closed contained space? Hell no. The way halon works is it consumes all available oxygen instantaneously...thus putting out a fire..and if you're in a closed area, it'll effectively knock you out in the process...which is why it's illegal to use in many places/circumstances
So would I use another extinguisher system inside the car? Nope...since it would mess up the interior and engine bay w/ all that film it leaves behind...not after I've spent all this money!!
So in short, if it aint halon, i aint usin it. That, and systems are impractical financially and will mess up your interior and engine bay like a ****...
PS...on a side note, if you wanna get an idea of how strong halon is, ever watch Terminator 2? When they break into Cybertech, and a fire starts after they blow down a door, this automatic extinguisher system starts, and everyone's forced to wear oxygen masks...why? that's a halon system. notice how fast it kills the fire? that's how fast it'll knock ya out too...
You have any idea how much it costs to equip a car that sort of system? If ya don't, there's a reason...lol
I would never use any system or extinguisher other than a halon one, for the simple reason that I'm not gettin my ish messed up by some stupid film that other extinguishers leave on everything they're sprayed on...and its next to permanent. That, and halons work SOO much better and faster than any other extinguisher available (hence their use on aircrafts)
Now would I ever use halon as a system inside a car or any closed contained space? Hell no. The way halon works is it consumes all available oxygen instantaneously...thus putting out a fire..and if you're in a closed area, it'll effectively knock you out in the process...which is why it's illegal to use in many places/circumstances
So would I use another extinguisher system inside the car? Nope...since it would mess up the interior and engine bay w/ all that film it leaves behind...not after I've spent all this money!!
So in short, if it aint halon, i aint usin it. That, and systems are impractical financially and will mess up your interior and engine bay like a ****...
PS...on a side note, if you wanna get an idea of how strong halon is, ever watch Terminator 2? When they break into Cybertech, and a fire starts after they blow down a door, this automatic extinguisher system starts, and everyone's forced to wear oxygen masks...why? that's a halon system. notice how fast it kills the fire? that's how fast it'll knock ya out too...
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02-25-04, 10:39 AM
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My car is not going to burn to the ground because the extinguisher is located in the back attached to the cargo cover. Pull the trunk lever, go to the back and grab the damn extinguisher. After you pop the hood and supply oxygen, that's when the inferno begins.
Mounting the extinguisher in or on the bins is not an option for me. I have rear seats. If the rear end is hit and the car is on fire. I just drop the back section of the rear seats. I have NO worries about my location, none what so ever.
If your going to follow in FDnewbie's way of thinking "what if" and add frontal / rear end scenarios. He suggested the passenger footwell. What if your broadsided. The passenger door is now caved into the seat and your passenger is pinned against the brake lever? what then? You can always add more scenarios FDnewbie.....
With or without a fire extinguisher.
You better have good auto insurance coverage. You can go on all day with these "what if".
//Oliver
My car is not going to burn to the ground because the extinguisher is located in the back attached to the cargo cover. Pull the trunk lever, go to the back and grab the damn extinguisher. After you pop the hood and supply oxygen, that's when the inferno begins.
Mounting the extinguisher in or on the bins is not an option for me. I have rear seats. If the rear end is hit and the car is on fire. I just drop the back section of the rear seats. I have NO worries about my location, none what so ever.
If your going to follow in FDnewbie's way of thinking "what if" and add frontal / rear end scenarios. He suggested the passenger footwell. What if your broadsided. The passenger door is now caved into the seat and your passenger is pinned against the brake lever? what then? You can always add more scenarios FDnewbie.....
With or without a fire extinguisher.
You better have good auto insurance coverage. You can go on all day with these "what if".
//Oliver
02-25-04, 11:03 AM
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I think I'm going to get one. Does it come with a way to mount it to a roll bar?
If not, what is the best way to do this to make it secure but still be able to remove it quickly?
TIA
If not, what is the best way to do this to make it secure but still be able to remove it quickly?
TIA
Originally posted by Railgun69
They're not THAT expensive. I think I have the first model. Mounted like the first pic above (between the bins) except that the nozzle is facing forward. Small price anyway given the potential benefit.
http://www.h3r.com/products/home_vehicle.htm
They're not THAT expensive. I think I have the first model. Mounted like the first pic above (between the bins) except that the nozzle is facing forward. Small price anyway given the potential benefit.
http://www.h3r.com/products/home_vehicle.htm
02-25-04, 11:47 AM
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It comes with a bracket with a flat bottom and if I remember, some double sided tape. I'd get some stronger tape. As far as mounting to a bar, I'd have to look, but I think there are slots in the bracket to let you thread some bands around there. But you'll probably have to bend the bracket a bit to match the curve of the bar. The way I have it is rock solid. Hasn't moved at all. If you go the tape route, obviously make sure that you clean the surface well to ensure that it sticks without any problems.
02-25-04, 12:05 PM
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Some threads on fire extinguishers that I made comments in (good info in them):
https://www.rx7club.com/search.php?s...der=descending
I have a mixed opinion on Halon. As much as it is touted to be the best,...here are my thoughts.
1) If I have Halon installed on a vehicle,...it had better be a vehicle that is worth saving (or a vehicle that is a race vehicle). I will not install a Halon system on a FC daily driver. Heck, I will not install a Halon system on a FD daily driver. Why? Because that is what my car insurance is for. I pay insurance to pay for any damage to my vehicles.
2) While I will not install a Halon system on any daily vehicles,...I will possibly carry a Halon extinguisher (not a system/kit). This is to be used for the chance of a small fire that I can realistically fight/slow down. If the fire is too big, I will let the car burn to the ground (again, this is where insurance comes in).
3) I will probably carry a dry chemical fire extinguisher. This is for the purpose of putting out fires on non-confined areas of the vehicle AND for putting out fires on people.
As much as people say "Use Halon" yadda yadda yadda, I'm not about to go out of my way to install something that seems too extreme for most situations.
Read this:
Written by a friend...
http://www.apexcone.com/JimPowellHom...inguisher.html
(His personality reminds me of jimlab)
https://www.rx7club.com/search.php?s...der=descending
I have a mixed opinion on Halon. As much as it is touted to be the best,...here are my thoughts.
1) If I have Halon installed on a vehicle,...it had better be a vehicle that is worth saving (or a vehicle that is a race vehicle). I will not install a Halon system on a FC daily driver. Heck, I will not install a Halon system on a FD daily driver. Why? Because that is what my car insurance is for. I pay insurance to pay for any damage to my vehicles.
2) While I will not install a Halon system on any daily vehicles,...I will possibly carry a Halon extinguisher (not a system/kit). This is to be used for the chance of a small fire that I can realistically fight/slow down. If the fire is too big, I will let the car burn to the ground (again, this is where insurance comes in).
3) I will probably carry a dry chemical fire extinguisher. This is for the purpose of putting out fires on non-confined areas of the vehicle AND for putting out fires on people.
As much as people say "Use Halon" yadda yadda yadda, I'm not about to go out of my way to install something that seems too extreme for most situations.
Read this:
Written by a friend...
http://www.apexcone.com/JimPowellHom...inguisher.html
(His personality reminds me of jimlab)
02-25-04, 12:26 PM
#42
No it's not Turbo'd
I thought for halon to work you have to have some sort of room / enclosed area, where the fire will start to lack oxygen, and extinguish, that's what fire extinguishers are all about robbing the fire of fuel or oxygen or both...
Since halon is a gas, I can see how it would flow over the flames, and start to rob it of oxygen, but you'd need to keep it flowing, or else the flames will most likely re-kindle due to the heat that sparked the flames in the first place....
Since halon is a gas, I can see how it would flow over the flames, and start to rob it of oxygen, but you'd need to keep it flowing, or else the flames will most likely re-kindle due to the heat that sparked the flames in the first place....
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02-25-04, 01:56 PM
#43
Originally posted by OC94Rx7
rfreeman27
If your going to follow in FDnewbie's way of thinking "what if" and add frontal / rear end scenarios. He suggested the passenger footwell. What if your broadsided. The passenger door is now caved into the seat and your passenger is pinned against the brake lever? what then? You can always add more scenarios FDnewbie.....
rfreeman27
If your going to follow in FDnewbie's way of thinking "what if" and add frontal / rear end scenarios. He suggested the passenger footwell. What if your broadsided. The passenger door is now caved into the seat and your passenger is pinned against the brake lever? what then? You can always add more scenarios FDnewbie.....
DomFD3S, just in case i didnt make myself clear, I was saying it's impractical to install a complete system, so I'm not for ANY system in my car, halon or other. I'm just all for halon as a single extinguisher. In regards to the dry chemical extinguisher for putting out fires on non-confined areas and people, see below.
Sidenote: since you mentioned people, as childish as it sounds, ppl, plz remember this, cuz one day it just may save your or your loved one's life: stop, drop, & roll...
DCrosby, you know, I wondered about that too...but check this out
from http://www.h3r.com/products/faq.htm:
"Fire needs three elements to prosper; fuel, oxygen and heat. The most common extinguishing agents like water, carbon dioxide, dry chemical and foams attack the fire physically, deprive the fire of one or more of the three critical elements needed for propagation. Halon differs from all other extinguishing agents in the way it puts out the fire. It offers some of water's cooling effect and some of carbon dioxide's smothering action, but its essential extinguishing technique lies in its capacity to chemically react with the fire's components. It actually interrupts the chain reaction of fire -- a process known as "chain breaking."
So, in summary from what I've gathered from various reading, fire requires fuel, oxygen, and heat. Fire extinguishers normally eliminate one of the three (water eliminates heat, CO2 displaces oxygen). Halon works differently. It interferes with the oxidation reaction between the fuel and oxygen. Thus, it can work a fairly low concentrations in the atmosphere (so no, you don't need a continuous flow in an open space; in fact, since it works in this manner, you need very little halon to extinguish large fires)
The advantages of Halon for fire extinguishment are: doesn't damage equipment as might occur with other extinguishers, and doesn't damage your health, as would occur with CO2 (given it's used in open space).
Disadvantages? expensive (relative to your $40 walmart extinguisher). Also, its ozone depleting (since it's a CFC-like compound), which is essentially the reason why its production was halted.
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02-25-04, 02:10 PM
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Originally posted by FDNewbie
If you mean "prohibitively expensive" by best, then yea...maybe...
You have any idea how much it costs to equip a car that sort of system? If ya don't, there's a reason...lol
I would never use any system or extinguisher other than a halon one, for the simple reason that I'm not gettin my ish messed up by some stupid film that other extinguishers leave on everything they're sprayed on...and its next to permanent. That, and halons work SOO much better and faster than any other extinguisher available (hence their use on aircrafts)
Now would I ever use halon as a system inside a car or any closed contained space? Hell no. The way halon works is it consumes all available oxygen instantaneously...thus putting out a fire..and if you're in a closed area, it'll effectively knock you out in the process...which is why it's illegal to use in many places/circumstances
So would I use another extinguisher system inside the car? Nope...since it would mess up the interior and engine bay w/ all that film it leaves behind...not after I've spent all this money!!
So in short, if it aint halon, i aint usin it. That, and systems are impractical financially and will mess up your interior and engine bay like a ****...
PS...on a side note, if you wanna get an idea of how strong halon is, ever watch Terminator 2? When they break into Cybertech, and a fire starts after they blow down a door, this automatic extinguisher system starts, and everyone's forced to wear oxygen masks...why? that's a halon system. notice how fast it kills the fire? that's how fast it'll knock ya out too...
If you mean "prohibitively expensive" by best, then yea...maybe...
You have any idea how much it costs to equip a car that sort of system? If ya don't, there's a reason...lol
I would never use any system or extinguisher other than a halon one, for the simple reason that I'm not gettin my ish messed up by some stupid film that other extinguishers leave on everything they're sprayed on...and its next to permanent. That, and halons work SOO much better and faster than any other extinguisher available (hence their use on aircrafts)
Now would I ever use halon as a system inside a car or any closed contained space? Hell no. The way halon works is it consumes all available oxygen instantaneously...thus putting out a fire..and if you're in a closed area, it'll effectively knock you out in the process...which is why it's illegal to use in many places/circumstances
So would I use another extinguisher system inside the car? Nope...since it would mess up the interior and engine bay w/ all that film it leaves behind...not after I've spent all this money!!
So in short, if it aint halon, i aint usin it. That, and systems are impractical financially and will mess up your interior and engine bay like a ****...
PS...on a side note, if you wanna get an idea of how strong halon is, ever watch Terminator 2? When they break into Cybertech, and a fire starts after they blow down a door, this automatic extinguisher system starts, and everyone's forced to wear oxygen masks...why? that's a halon system. notice how fast it kills the fire? that's how fast it'll knock ya out too...
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02-25-04, 02:13 PM
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Halon breaks down the oxygen molecules. That is why it needs to be used in a relatively confined area. Using it is the open air, would greatly reduce the effectiveness.
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Philip,
I think that as long as you carry one in the car within close access to the drives seat you should be fine. I have been keeping mine in front of my passenger seat. I will show you Tuesday.
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I think that as long as you carry one in the car within close access to the drives seat you should be fine. I have been keeping mine in front of my passenger seat. I will show you Tuesday.
JCW.
02-25-04, 02:31 PM
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Philip,
I think that as long as you carry one in the car within close access to the drives seat you should be fine. I have been keeping mine in front of my passenger seat. I will show you Tuesday.
JCW.
Philip,
I think that as long as you carry one in the car within close access to the drives seat you should be fine. I have been keeping mine in front of my passenger seat. I will show you Tuesday.
JCW.
Thanks