I don't know why this crossed my mind, I guess because the possibility of watching your car burn to the ground in front of you can be really scarring. I was just curious as to if anyone has had any personal experience with Halon extinguishers. I know they are B and C rated, perfect for cars, and they don't use the corrosive dry chem nonsense. Though apparently it has been out of production for awhile, but still can be found.

Just curious as to if anyone keeps a Halon extinguisher in their FD, if so what size, and how did they mount it? Any potential vendors you would recommend?

 

2.5 lb Halon from Amazon in a Sakebomb front passenger floor mount w/quick release.

https://www.sakebombgarage.com/fire-...ats-fd3s-rx-7/

 

Pretty much what I used, Amerex B385TS, 2.5lb Halotron I Class B C Fire Extinguisher from Amazon with the Sakebomb passenger seat floor mount (no quick release).

 

^ Yep, that’s the one. I stand corrected...Halotron, not Halon.

 

Halon extinguisher sourced through an online fire extinguisher company, using the SBG rear mount in my car.

 

SBG here as well.

Halon is being replaced by Halotron because it's much less harmful all around. To the ozone AND to your lungs.

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True, but halotron is also less effective as a fire extinguishing agent.

 

https://elementfire.com/ Is another option, I've heard of people using it successfully on an FC

 

coldfire or AR-AAAF foam

 

Element Fire Extinguishers are amazing. They last longer than a traditional fire bottle, cost less, don’t need to be recharged, leave no mess and are non toxic. I keep one in the glovebox of my FD. I love that it’s small enough to hide away, I feel like an exposed fire bottle looks unfinished.

 

Got the element extinguisher too. Perfect application for the FD. About the size of a road flare.

 

Hmm, the JDM FD's have a road flare holder in the passenger kick panel. Gonna check the dimensions on that

 

street car or race car or whatever, once you have had a fire, you'll realize there's not really much help having a tiny one out of reach. Mount it within hands reach with seatbelt on. I see so many rx7 guy put them in the rear storage bin, glove box, or the trunk. If you don't have one in the chamber, you're done before you can load the gun. By the time you stop the car, unstrap your belt, open door, get out, and run around in panic, stuff could already be burning pretty hardcore. Here its being used as the arm rest on top of trans tunnel, this one contains halon. The one on the floor its the AFFF foam. The ideal extinguisher is the foam, as it will form a layer over the fuel and starve it of oxygen (and fuel today has 10% ethanol which makes it incredibly difficult to put out). Ethanol fire on dyno immediately shot down with AFFF-AR worked instantaneously.

 

The only concern I have with the AFFF foam, is the possibility of damage it would cause due to the state of matter it is in? Now, I realize if your car is on fire you probably have bigger issues to worry about, like extinguishing said fire, than what the foam will do. Say for example, it is a fire that is caught quickly enough and extinguished and as a result only effected a small, contained area, would the AFFF foams remaining presence deteriorate things it is in contact with? What I'm getting at here is you know how the dry chemical powder extinguishers leave a hell of a mess and deteriorate things? I'm wondering what the AFFF does as well.

Now, (and this is entirely opinion and using logic to connect dots, I could be entirely wrong here, if I am, someone please chime in) wouldn't halon be more effective at not leaving a potentially damaging residue behind? Also, another quick thought, let's assume a scenario where a car has an engine fire start while the hood is closed. Safety states, do not open the hood, right? Due to the sudden presence of oxygen it could cause the flame to flare up. However, Halon being a gas, it would be easier theoretically to perhaps go in through the front air dam while keeping the hood closed, and introduce the halon gas from the extinguisher into the engine bay that way, thus eliminating the fire. Would AFFF be equally effective in that situation?

I'm speculating entirely here. You obviously have a very expensive FD, so I'd be willing to bet you didn't just allocate all of your budget to parts alone and spare none for safety or fire suppression, I guess you could say I was pondering out loud. I'd be interested to hear your take on it.

 

I don’t know...some maybe over-thinking this. If I’d known about those Element extinguishers I might have considered them over a 2.5 lb. Halatron. But regardless, if I don’t get a fire completely out within the first moments I’d just as soon let it burn if no other structures or property are threatened. That’s what agreed-value insurance is for.

 

Thanks for the info guys, this is something that I have been considering for quite some time. I was actually planning on installing a remote system, with a nozzle in the engine bay, and one right above the fuel tank, but its always been a thing to do...

The https://elementfire.com/ seems like a good alternative while I decide on the remote system!

 

Thats for a little *** controlled fire and you have to be about a foot away from the fire source. Lol.
Might as well carry nothing. I like my fd and I would save as much as I can safely. The 2.5 lb will help. I hpoe you never need it, though.

 

Having an rx7 catching on fire is the last thing any enthusiast would want! So a few months back I had an opportunity to talk with some fire specialist at my work.

I asked them what would they recommended for a fire extinguisher to carry in my Rx7? After about 30 mins of explaining the pro/con/price/corrosive..etc the concern was “will you have enough time/would it be safe enough to open the hood to put out the fire? Randomly a specialist from the DOD over heard the conversation, and he said “why don’t you buy a system that you can run a line into your engine bay, in the unfortunate event you can pull the pin and go”

he gave me the name of the system, which I lost...but I never got a chance to research it. so this is just a thought,

 

Has anyone used the 'element fire' extinguisher? They make a lot of claims that make it seem too good to be true. Smaller, cheaper, and better in every way than a more traditional extinguisher

 

I've never used one, nor do I have any experience with them, but I feel this falls under the Good, Fast, Cheap, pick two, scenario. Just based on the video, it had to be held on the fire a solid few seconds before it was extinguished, and that is direct contact. Generally I'd assume in an engine bay fire when the hood is down, you probably won't be able to open the hood due to temp, or they even say that's a bad idea regardless because of flare up from the rapid supply of oxygen. Your only shot would be going through the front air dam if so, and I doubt that would do much of anything, seeing as how that extinguisher had to have direct contact for a few seconds before the fire was extinguished, like I mentioned above.

I feel with a Halon, it has enough pressure (being that it is, well, a pressurized gas) that it could force its way through the fins in the rad and displace the oxygen in the bay and extinguish a fire much more efficiently. Who knows, you could possibly just be able to open the hood and hose it down. I honestly don't see that element one doing much, though. I can't honestly say with confidence I'd trust it over a halon extinguisher. I'd use that element one as like, maybe if I were to go camping, or for a small kitchen/oven fire.

 

https://www.pegasusautoracing.com/pr...asp?RecID=7034

https://www.ogracing.com/spa-afff-fi...ter-mechanical

Just pull the level, problem is that the nozzle will be in one or two specific places, if the fire is somewhere else...