silvr94r2

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I think they forgot to put in the article that it was a 4.9 60' that's why they only got the 13.8 With those mods that car should easily be in the high 12's on street tires.....if not then those people have to be the worst drivers that they could find.

Snook

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WTF??? get the specs right on the mustang or don't say anything about it and stick with what you think you know about your car. It's actually Lost Time who I am talking to. Now which of the 4.6 liter mustangs were you talking about? A 4.6 liter mustang could be talking about a 96-2002 GT or Cobra that wasn't too specific. And I don't know of any mustang 4.6 liter that came stock with 285 hp the latest gt comes stock with 260 and the 02 cobra is 320 and the 03 cobra is supercharged from the factory so forget about that.
So there are no 4.6 liters stock with 285hp but I do agree with you that people sometimes underestimate mustangs. A gt supercharged can run 12s or 11s no problem. About the svo's having better handling I've also heard that...and there was no v6 in the fox bodys it was either an 8 or 4
I'm not the mustang master or anything but I do own one and I know a lot about them
It's wierd to sit back here and try and learn about the rx-7 the car I want, from the people on this forum and trust what they are saying and then have them make incredibly obvious mistakes about the mustang the credibility goes down from there.
I'm trusting that you just don't know about the mustang but you really do know about the rx7 I hope
My 02 and a tad bit more
-Snook

Lost Time

So I mixed up the 285 torque figure with the hp figure. Geez, don't get your panties in a bunch. By the way, the 97 Cobra came with 305 hp, the 97 GT with 215hp. Anything else you'd like to get off your chest?

Eggie

SVOs can be pretty quick. A friend has a rebuilt longblock - nothing fancy, just 30 over and a basic valve job, with a T04, FMIC, and SDS. It pulls over 320rwhp on a Dynojet at 19psi.

kwikrx7

I've read threads on here of decently modded FDs pulling on supercharged Mustangs (94-98) Haven't seen any on the new GTs or Cobras though (that were S/C) Most Mustangs have tons of torque. Believe it or not I've only raced one Mustang (89 GT vert) when I was stock - wasn't a race - but they were slow. Mustangs are straight line cars and need little work to run 12s. Please don't compare any Mustang (not even the Cobra R) to the FD in handling - that's absurd. I'm still waiting to find a Saleen or something to kill but everything's been on the oppsosite side of the road

san7

Mustang svo came stock with a To4. That is a car people snake the turbo's from for other projects. They are pretty darn quick, and as others were saying they are a sleeper. I was my friends 92 saleen with a vortek blower when an SVO spanked us. WTF he screamed as he pulled like 4 cars on us. That was a 92 with headers, exhaust, no cats, msd ignition and the blower. Isn't that 4 banger have some kind of special heads and stuff? If I can remember correctly FORD did not design that engine, it was mercury marine or something weird like that. Enough babble from me.

san7

Sorry, I was wrong. They came with a strait T3.

Smilez

No matter what forum you go to, there will always be mistakes, especially in the area of others cars, whether its a simple mixup, or bad memory recollection, or just bs, its gunna happen... are you disbeleiving people on the mustang forum when they make a mistake about imports?

silvr94r2

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Special head? Not on your life! The stock head for the 2.3 turbo (SVO & Turbo coupe & XR4TI) are cast iron 8 valve bricks. You can get an upgraded all alum. head from Esslinger for about $2500. In my friends he just ported it himself and added 1.94/60 valves. Pretty big for a 8 valve 4 banger huh?

silvr94r2

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Back to the original question......if you mod your car with the parts you suggested you should have a good chance against almost anything on the street depending on driving and conditions. But don't count something out just because someone says it's only this or that. I race every race like it's going to be the fastest car ever....guess that's why i don't get many races when i go to the street races or the track. I try and whip everyone no matter what.....no sandbaggin' here.

"I live my life a 1/4 mile"......nevermind! you get the idea

man_of_steel

yeah, I know, saving up as I put these on to buy an ecu upgrade...no way in hell it would be worth my engine for this tool


here ya go

http://www.caranddriver.com/xp/Caran...stang&class=22

redrotorR1

proof-positive ... bored-out, pushing 19 psi and throwing down a 'mere' 320RWHP ... better put, that's ALOT coming from a 4-banger. i have doubts about the originally quoted 420, matty.

and to sooth the handling argument, mustang's all came with a solid rear axle until '98, and only the cobra had the independent rear in '98. i believe in 2000 or 2001, the GT also got the independent rear. so unless the driver is the powersliding/drifting master, this SVO mustang will have trouble keeping up in the twisties.

but, enough with the name-calling ... plus, we're talking about the SVO mustang, not the 4.6L mustang or cobra .... matty, run this '420HP' mustang guy and let us know how is goes.

and as far as your launch problems ... well, you don't have to be at full boost into 1st gear. in fact, you probably don't want to be. at track events, i typically rev up to about 2500 rpm, slip the clutch, and then dump it. i know it doesn't feel faster, but in all actuality, you're wasting time spinning the tires trying to gain traction. i got dusted by a Z28 (stock .... ouch, that hurt my ego), because i did the same thing. rev'd it up too high and fished it all the way out of 1st gear. dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb. well, try out different variations in an empty parking lot ... you'll find the best formula for yourself.

silvr94r2

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redrotor1: Just remember though.....320rwhp out of a car that weighs a mere 2800lbs.....wait, that almost sounds like a heavily modded FD on a good day

Practice your launching matty and like i said before....you'll give anyone on the street a decent run with some mods and driving under your belt.

The straight axle thing is not as much of a problem as some of you think. How do our cars respond to alot of power? By giving us tons of wheel hop! My Mustang doesn't have wheel hop....just spin. 7 has hop and spin.

Get some toe links and trailing arms to help eliminate wheel hop and turbo mustang who??

redrotorR1

i was being facetious when i said a 'mere' 320RWHP.

320 is a lot for any car .... especially any under 3000lbs.

matty, i did some research and while your expedia's are high rated grip tires, you could upgrade for less than what you paid for them. the potenza S03's are slightly cheaper in the 245/45 R16's ... i have the BFG g-Force KDW's and they're pretty grippy tires ($124 per at tirerack.com). i have ridden in a couple cars with the Firestone Firehawks and those are some GRIPPY tires!!! but, they don't make them in 245/45 ... 245/50's yes, but you get a speedo error. or you could 'cheat' a little, and spring for the Kumho V712's ... technically race tires, but whose counting anyways?

also, everyone has said that jimlab's unobtainium bushing virtually eliminate the wheelhop problem. just a thought.

silvr94r2

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Why do you doubt? 320rwhp with the 2.3 isn't as hard as you think.... over 400lbs. of torque can't hurt things in a race either. I've got videos and dyno sheets to show our proof.....all on a totally stock bottom end with 100k miles. We'll put down well over 400.....were guessing around 470rwhp and 500ft.lbs. of torque. Do you doubt? Want to lay some money down? If you do we'll even pull the head off after to prove it. I'm not trying to be an ***.....just sarcastic

redrotorR1

i'm not saying it's impossible ... just really hard to do. one of my bosses slapped a blower on his '98 cobra and they maxed it out on the dyno to 560RWHP. but, that's with a 4.6L V-8 with 32 valves (?). a 2.3L twincam 4-cylinder ... i mean, come on ...

alright, alright .. if someone can post a dyno sheet from this 420HP SVO ... i will have a newfound respect for the SVO mustang. the reason i doubt is based on volumetric displacement ... even with the 19 (or whatever this guy is pushing) psi overhead, how can you expect an engine half the size of its newer brethren put down almost as much power? likewise, i'm not trying to be an *** either ... i give much props to the mustang for what it can do. i just try to be the voice of reason.

Lost Time

man_of_steel, thanks for the link.

When I estimated horsepower after the listed modifications I assumed (that's where I went wrong, aside from mixing up hp and torque figures) that they were using true aftermarket upgrade parts. Turns out they were using SVO parts installed and serviced by Roush. This was probably done to show readers what could be done with a bone-stock car, through your local Ford dealer. This is not a true representation of what could be done with true aftermarket (read: not SVO) parts. I believe if they took the same amount of money and used it on different parts, their 1/4 mile times could have been well into the 12's.

sigmaldwarf

I didn't expect you to know... but the independent rear came out in 99+ cobras not 98. For some more history... the 2.3L four cyl... was taken from the pinto. That's right, the highly potent extremely powerful PINTO (PLEASE NOTE THE SARCASM)!!! Granted the engine was moded to hold some more power from the turbo app... but still. You should have no trouble holding your own. Whoever said the 32V cobra motor was making 500something HP... watch out for the pistons and rods. The factory setup will not hold much more than 475HP for long. If you doubt me... check with http://www.seanhylandmotorsport.com/ and look at the mod squad section. They are a 4.6L tuning company in Canada. As for the GT... stock will only hold 400HP reliably (cast crank limitations).

Enough with that... i'm getting an FD.

For your car... if you have adjustable shocks/struts (which do the FD use?) adjust the fronts to the softest setting for when you race. You will hook the best this way. You may want to lower the PSI in the rear tires a little to, and you can raise the fronts to their max pressure to reduce rolling resistance. Hope this helps! Good luck... and kick some major booty!!!

rynberg

not that it really matters, but GTs still have live axle. Only the cobra has the IRS (and a pretty shitty implementation of it). What do you expect when trying to add IRS to a 20-year old platform (or however old the fox platform is).

spooledUP7

Have you raced him yet? Let's hear it.

redrotorR1

Funny that you mention that ... the dude I know with the blower on the Cobra .... well, yup, he blew the engine this week. Said it made a whole lotta noise and a bunch of cranking and jerking. D'oh!!!!

And as far as the GT ... my mistake. I did hear something about the GT's getting the IRS ... maybe plans for the future? Well, whatever ...

matty

the guy is telling me he is running 25 llbs of boost....i am gonna whipped!
25llbs is that posible out of a 4 cylinder?

redrotorR1

25lbs? wow ... ask him how many passes he's made running that high. that's a lot of boost for a little engine. hell, that's a lot of boost for a T-04 ... yeah, you might get whipped.