alberto_mg

I just recently got my first (and hopefully only) FD and I am having an issue with the transmission tunnel being extremely hot. There is just so much heat emenating from the transmission tunnel that it makes being in the car very uncomfortable. The shifter gets really hot and so does the plastic covering. This doesn't seem normal, but I wanted to get some input from you guys before making any conclusions.

Does anyone know of any heat retardant material that I can place under the carpet to help the situation out?

I'll post more about my 7 and the rebuild on another thread

-Alberto

weaklink

I'm guessing you have an automatic? FYI, this was the first symptom I had before the tranny went out. At the least I would take the care to a trans shop and have them change the trans fluid NOW. Use synthetic. Have them evaluate the look and smell of the fluid they remove (check to see if it's burnt smelling, discolored, etc.). Check to make sure that your trans cooler (right front) is not badly damaged, or make sure it's present. Heat deadening material does not solve the problem and would actually make things worse as heat would build up even more where the trouble spot is. Transmission heat in automatics has been linked to rear rotor failure.

weaklink

Even if you don't have an auto, change the gear oil now to synthetic.

alberto_mg

Sorry, I should have included some more details about the car:
- 5 speed
- 93 Touring
- rebuilt motor with 400 miles
- SS downpipe
- RB cat back
- stock cat
- Blitz SMIC
- stock twins
- big radiator (Koyo?)
- vented hood
- Power FC
- stock air box with cut out bottom (like in adam_c's thread)
- B&M short shifter
- car has never been hit

I was planning on changing to Redline MTL tonight, but I don't think that is going to do the trick. I could be wrong and hopefully I am.

The car does shift reasonably well. It is a bit notchy when cold and driving around town, but feels better on the highway.

maxpesce

In addition to changing the Trans oil to a good synthetic, make sure the Heat Shield around the Catalytic converter is intact and in place. Also wrap the Down Pipe w/ ThermoTec (or other brand) insulating header wrap.

alberto_mg

Hmm. Didn't think about the cat... The heat shield around the cat is there. However, the heat shielding on the bottom side of the cat is... shall we say a little crushed.

I bought the stock cat from coop who shipped the cat to me in small box w/o any packing material so the heat shielding was all a bit crushed when I got it. Especially on the bottom side.

I wonder if the cat could be the culprit? Would it heat things up like this?

SyderJL

When I first got my FD, the Mazda dealer that I got it from put the wrong kind of oil in the tranny, and it even made my shifter hot. When I went to get the oil changed I was told it was the wrong fluid and had it replaced and it has been cool ever since.
Good Luck!

GoodfellaFD3S

iTrader: (213)

I've had good results with Mobil1 70w90 Synth in the tranny and diff

alberto_mg

I'm doing the MTL tonight then. I've been using Redline MTL since my VW days back in 88. I experimented a few times with my VWs and Turbo IIs using Amsoil, Mobil 1 and others and got smoother shifts from the MTL.

I'll report back when its done. Thanks fellas.

potatochobit

iTrader: (1)

its normal for the transmission tunnel to get warm. do you have A/C on? when my A/C went out last year i noticed the transmission was hot inside the car and i wanted to coat the sidewall with heatshielding. with the A/C on it is not noticeable though so i havent done that since fixing the A/C.

alberto_mg

its not warm - its hot, very hot. a/c is off as its not charged yet. we shall see manana.

vosko

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it depends but mine gets freaking hot too.......its normal sorta

zeravla

I've owned two 3rd gens w/ 5spds. On both cars, a noticable amount of heat radiates off the transmissions into the interior.

Rx-7$4$me

No no, ITs because of how your short shifter was installed, I guarnTEE it.

When I installed mine, the big rubber encahsed metal shield that goes over the trans tunnel opening, was not flush with the frame, so hot air from the trans and motor just vented right up into there and started to warm teh **** out of everything.

I went back in there and made it as flush as I can , and put the insulation that was in there with the stock shifter back in, as I didnt have it in there before.

Now the entire area is just warm to the touch in 80F weather.

suprfast

goodfellas, i meant to make a post but never did and you answered my question. i can get the mobil1 syn 75w90 really cheap and i was going to start using that. the redline is just too much. i would like to change the diff oil on a regular basis. the kazz reccomends it why shouldnt we did it say every 10K miles on the stock diff
kris

GoRacer

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You could have an oil leak in the trans. When it's too low or empty it will get hot. Change to synthetic and check for leaks.

You could have a cloged Cat' which could be radiating heat. When mine went bad on my CRX it glowed red like a bbq charcoal!

On my Honda the short shifter sticks down lower then OEM and is barely above the exaust piping and the shifter and handle get hot after about a 1/2 hour. I don't remember where the shifter is located under the 7. I don't have a short shifter on my 7 so it doesn't get hot.

alberto_mg

I changed the tranny and diff oil to Redline MTL and 75/90 respectively yesterday. It is *SO MUCH BETTER* now!!!!

The car shifts so much smoother, the aluminum shift **** is much cooler (I can actually touch it now), car seems quieter. Did I mention how much smoother the shifting is?! Huge difference! I had forgotten how well MTL worked. The tranny tunnel is cooler to the touch now also. Sweet

Rx-7$4$me - you got a good point there too. I'll have to check that out too. Maybe the previous owner didn't reinstall that stuff properly.

Thanks fellas.

zeravla

In a previous post I mentioned that both my current and previous 3rd gen generated a noticable amount of heat from the transmission tunnel into the interior.

Since that post, I just switched to synthetic in the tranny and swapped my precat for a downpipe. No more warm transmission tunnel. Also, no more boost problems. My clogged precat caused me to have random loss of boost.

alberto_mg

Still running a bit hot. Not as bad though. Is there supposed to be any heat shielding or sound deadening material here? I believe my old Turbo II had some thick sound deadening material here.

The situation arises when I drive from Long Island to NYC to NJ. The drive to NYC is fine, cruising along the highway. It starts to get quite a bit warmer as I make my way through the city to pick up my woman. There I'm driving slow 2nd gear light to light for 20 minutes. That is where it starts to get uncomfortable. The foot wells get hot and the tranny tunnel radiates heat. I'll do more highway driving out to NJ and it just never really seems to cool down.

Rx-7$4$me

Hah! theres your problem man! Theres supposed to be a metal pieced overlayed in rubber, that goes across that opening to the 4 bolts sticking out of the corners. It keeps alot of the heat in, also there is a bit of insulation supposed to go on top of that as well!

DamonB

Yes. The stock shifter has a thick rubber mat and then a couple layers of thick felt insulation underneath the shift boot.

My tunnel is warm on the sides when driving, but I never have anything I would call hot or uncomfortable in the shifter area. I still have the stock shifter.

Do as Rx-7$4$me says and your problem will go away.

alberto_mg

ooops wrong pic. here is the one that i meant to upload. is there something missing?

Rx-7$4$me

Nothing missing there sept for a bit of insulation that goes over that. ITs just like a slab of junk, kinda like stuff in the firewall.

Ned M

iTrader: (6)

It sounds like your car's previous owner had the main cat section removed.

When I had my stock cat center section removed (replaced w/Bonez), a huge piece of sheet metal above and attached to the main cat comes off with it. This sheet metal is what insulates the tranny tunnel from the main cat in stock configuration.

I had a local shop remove the upper sheet metal from the old cat, and attached it directly to the tranny tunnel with sheet metal screws and a layer of aluminized heat barrier cloth between the sheet metal and tranny tunnel.

Additional heat will be felt thru the firewall from a stainless downpipe unless your downpipe is wrapped or jet-coated. I had mine wrapped.

Heat problems just like yours were solved completely with these changes.

SpiritR

I got some possible valueable info for you

Check the rubber gaskets to make sure they are intack since you have a BM Short Shifter. VERY LIKELY, that would make all that happen

ALSO change the fluid, like mentioned before.. That will help anyway