Experience from MSD Blaster 2 coils?
06-08-04, 09:51 AM
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Experience from MSD Blaster 2 coils?
New ignition, coils?
I´m thinking of buying the Jacobs Pro Pack. But i´m not sure what coils to use. I know i wont be using the T2 coils, because they dont exist where i liv.
I´m thinking of using 4 MSD Blaster 2 coils. Has anyone experience of this? Is there something else i should be thinking of?
I´m thinking of buying the Jacobs Pro Pack. But i´m not sure what coils to use. I know i wont be using the T2 coils, because they dont exist where i liv.
I´m thinking of using 4 MSD Blaster 2 coils. Has anyone experience of this? Is there something else i should be thinking of?
06-08-04, 03:58 PM
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06-08-04, 04:09 PM
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if youre going to run two leading coils instead of a "two-in-one" coil setup and want to put an ignition box on it, why not go with the msd dis-2 instead of TWO ignition boxes. looks a lot cleaner and if youre going with msd anyways, why not stick with the family.
my only question is: how do you wire the two coils? series or parallel?
paul
one more thing. contact msd and ask them what box/coil setup works. some coils are MADE for certain boxes and those boxes ONLY. like the msd hvc coils. . . they are for 6 series boxes only. call them up and tell em what you wanna do. they can then get you the coil/amp box combination you want to go with.
i dont know what the dis boxes list as, but i seem to remember seeing some "dis" coils on their site.
my only question is: how do you wire the two coils? series or parallel?
paul
one more thing. contact msd and ask them what box/coil setup works. some coils are MADE for certain boxes and those boxes ONLY. like the msd hvc coils. . . they are for 6 series boxes only. call them up and tell em what you wanna do. they can then get you the coil/amp box combination you want to go with.
i dont know what the dis boxes list as, but i seem to remember seeing some "dis" coils on their site.
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06-08-04, 11:44 PM
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Originally posted by mark57
http://www.nopistons.com/forums/inde...howtopic=40056
This might help. The photos are my setup.
http://www.nopistons.com/forums/inde...howtopic=40056
This might help. The photos are my setup.
06-09-04, 06:14 AM
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Originally posted by mark57
http://www.nopistons.com/forums/inde...howtopic=40056
This might help. The photos are my setup.
http://www.nopistons.com/forums/inde...howtopic=40056
This might help. The photos are my setup.
What coils are you using?
06-09-04, 08:41 AM
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one ignition amplifier will not run two coils UNLESS it is one of the DIS units msd sells. thats why you have to run two amps on the trailing side. itll burn up the amp.
paul
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06-09-04, 09:33 AM
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History: My Jacobs Rotary Pack burned up two stock leading coils during WOT runs. Yeoouch! I replaced the stock lead coil with two Crane Cams LX91 coils relocated to the N-Tech BMK. The Rotary Pack then burned up after many months and a number of WOT runs.???? ****, this is killin' me.
Now, I'm using two Jacobs FC1000 amps where each fires a LX91 coil. They're in parallel to act just like the stock arrangement.
To amp the trailing coils will require one amp per coil; we've got splits to consider.
I'll try to get some clearer pix posted in a bit.
Now, I'm using two Jacobs FC1000 amps where each fires a LX91 coil. They're in parallel to act just like the stock arrangement.
To amp the trailing coils will require one amp per coil; we've got splits to consider.
I'll try to get some clearer pix posted in a bit.
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06-09-04, 12:54 PM
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Originally posted by mark57
History: My Jacobs Rotary Pack burned up two stock leading coils during WOT runs. Yeoouch! I replaced the stock lead coil with two Crane Cams LX91 coils relocated to the N-Tech BMK. The Rotary Pack then burned up after many months and a number of WOT runs.???? ****, this is killin' me.
Now, I'm using two Jacobs FC1000 amps where each fires a LX91 coil. They're in parallel to act just like the stock arrangement.
To amp the trailing coils will require one amp per coil; we've got splits to consider.
I'll try to get some clearer pix posted in a bit.
History: My Jacobs Rotary Pack burned up two stock leading coils during WOT runs. Yeoouch! I replaced the stock lead coil with two Crane Cams LX91 coils relocated to the N-Tech BMK. The Rotary Pack then burned up after many months and a number of WOT runs.???? ****, this is killin' me.
Now, I'm using two Jacobs FC1000 amps where each fires a LX91 coil. They're in parallel to act just like the stock arrangement.
To amp the trailing coils will require one amp per coil; we've got splits to consider.
I'll try to get some clearer pix posted in a bit.
Pics would be great
06-09-04, 02:48 PM
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he IS talking about the leading coils. he replaced the ONE leading coil with the TWO crane coils. one amplifier is meant for ONE coil. if you are using two coils in place of the stock single (double outlet) leading coil you then have to use TWO amps to power it. well, you dont have to put an amp on them at all, but if youre wanting to amp your leading coil(s) youd HAVE to have one amp PER coil.
stock setup: three coils. consisting of one dual outlet (meaning you can run two spark plugs off of it) and two trailing coils (one coil per spark plug). if you are to amplify the ENTIRE STOOOOOOOOOOCK setup, you have to buy THREE amplifiers. why? cause, one amplifier can ONLY do the work for ONE coil. you would then have one amp going to the leading coil, one amp going to the trailing 1 coil, and one amp going to the trailing 2 coil.
in marks setup he has FOUR coils!!!!! he ditched the stock dual outlet leading coil and bought !!TWO!! single outlet crane coils. he wired them up so they would fire at the same time. . . JUST LIKE THE STOCK LEADING COIL. he left the trailing coils alone and intact. . . not many people worry about them. so, why does he have two amp boxes again??? BECAUSE, THERE ARE !!NOW!! TWO LEADING COILS.
if mark decided to amplify his trailing setup, hed have to buy TWO more amp boxes. . . because there are TWO trailing coils.
paul
stock setup: three coils. consisting of one dual outlet (meaning you can run two spark plugs off of it) and two trailing coils (one coil per spark plug). if you are to amplify the ENTIRE STOOOOOOOOOOCK setup, you have to buy THREE amplifiers. why? cause, one amplifier can ONLY do the work for ONE coil. you would then have one amp going to the leading coil, one amp going to the trailing 1 coil, and one amp going to the trailing 2 coil.
in marks setup he has FOUR coils!!!!! he ditched the stock dual outlet leading coil and bought !!TWO!! single outlet crane coils. he wired them up so they would fire at the same time. . . JUST LIKE THE STOCK LEADING COIL. he left the trailing coils alone and intact. . . not many people worry about them. so, why does he have two amp boxes again??? BECAUSE, THERE ARE !!NOW!! TWO LEADING COILS.
if mark decided to amplify his trailing setup, hed have to buy TWO more amp boxes. . . because there are TWO trailing coils.
paul
06-09-04, 03:56 PM
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Right you are, Rotorbrain. I should rephrase - my first Jacobs destroyed the stock lead coil on two separate occasions. The stock coil was replaced by two LX91 V8 coils (that act as one stock L coil). The Jacobs Pack eventually died due to the load of driving those LX91s. Now, two Jacobs FC1000 each drive a LX91.
I now wish I had done a two post coil
Hey, I got a wholee lotta spark
I don't see a need to do the trailing coils; I'm still sitting at only 485 HP (flywheel)
, unless someone can make a case for it.
I now wish I had done a two post coil
Hey, I got a wholee lotta sparkI don't see a need to do the trailing coils; I'm still sitting at only 485 HP (flywheel), unless someone can make a case for it.
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06-09-04, 04:04 PM
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jeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeez. . . ive been looking at coil replacements as well. . . take a look at nology. . . they have some compact two lead coils im thinking about using theirs. . . but i need to find out if my digital six will work okay with them first.
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06-09-04, 05:28 PM
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Originally posted by rotorbrain
he IS talking about the leading coils. he replaced the ONE leading coil with the TWO crane coils. one amplifier is meant for ONE coil. if you are using two coils in place of the stock single (double outlet) leading coil you then have to use TWO amps to power it. well, you dont have to put an amp on them at all, but if youre wanting to amp your leading coil(s) youd HAVE to have one amp PER coil.
stock setup: three coils. consisting of one dual outlet (meaning you can run two spark plugs off of it) and two trailing coils (one coil per spark plug). if you are to amplify the ENTIRE STOOOOOOOOOOCK setup, you have to buy THREE amplifiers. why? cause, one amplifier can ONLY do the work for ONE coil. you would then have one amp going to the leading coil, one amp going to the trailing 1 coil, and one amp going to the trailing 2 coil.
in marks setup he has FOUR coils!!!!! he ditched the stock dual outlet leading coil and bought !!TWO!! single outlet crane coils. he wired them up so they would fire at the same time. . . JUST LIKE THE STOCK LEADING COIL. he left the trailing coils alone and intact. . . not many people worry about them. so, why does he have two amp boxes again??? BECAUSE, THERE ARE !!NOW!! TWO LEADING COILS.
if mark decided to amplify his trailing setup, hed have to buy TWO more amp boxes. . . because there are TWO trailing coils.
paul
he IS talking about the leading coils. he replaced the ONE leading coil with the TWO crane coils. one amplifier is meant for ONE coil. if you are using two coils in place of the stock single (double outlet) leading coil you then have to use TWO amps to power it. well, you dont have to put an amp on them at all, but if youre wanting to amp your leading coil(s) youd HAVE to have one amp PER coil.
stock setup: three coils. consisting of one dual outlet (meaning you can run two spark plugs off of it) and two trailing coils (one coil per spark plug). if you are to amplify the ENTIRE STOOOOOOOOOOCK setup, you have to buy THREE amplifiers. why? cause, one amplifier can ONLY do the work for ONE coil. you would then have one amp going to the leading coil, one amp going to the trailing 1 coil, and one amp going to the trailing 2 coil.
in marks setup he has FOUR coils!!!!! he ditched the stock dual outlet leading coil and bought !!TWO!! single outlet crane coils. he wired them up so they would fire at the same time. . . JUST LIKE THE STOCK LEADING COIL. he left the trailing coils alone and intact. . . not many people worry about them. so, why does he have two amp boxes again??? BECAUSE, THERE ARE !!NOW!! TWO LEADING COILS.
if mark decided to amplify his trailing setup, hed have to buy TWO more amp boxes. . . because there are TWO trailing coils.
paul
But if i get a trailing coil with dual outlets, then i just need one amp?
And 2 amps for the leading coils?
06-09-04, 05:45 PM
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NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO. . . . YOU CANT DO THAT WITH THE TRAILING COIL!!!! IT HAS TWO DIFFERENT COILS CAUSE THEY FIRE AT DIFFERENT TIMES. . . THE LEADING PLUGS FIRE AT THE SAME TIME ALL THE TIME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
if you want to amplify ANY system using TWO coils you need to look into msd's dis2 amp box. it has the capability to fire two coil packs on their own. you only NEED two boxes. . . one for the dual outlet leading coil (like an msd 6a box) and one (HAS to be like the msd dis2 box) for the trailing coils. if you DONT use the dis2 box on the setup that uses two coils, youll have the same problem that mark had. make sense?
paul
basically, your last remark. . . REVERSE IT!!!!!!!!!
if you want to amplify ANY system using TWO coils you need to look into msd's dis2 amp box. it has the capability to fire two coil packs on their own. you only NEED two boxes. . . one for the dual outlet leading coil (like an msd 6a box) and one (HAS to be like the msd dis2 box) for the trailing coils. if you DONT use the dis2 box on the setup that uses two coils, youll have the same problem that mark had. make sense?
paul
basically, your last remark. . . REVERSE IT!!!!!!!!!
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06-09-04, 05:53 PM
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Originally posted by rotorbrain
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO. . . . YOU CANT DO THAT WITH THE TRAILING COIL!!!! IT HAS TWO DIFFERENT COILS CAUSE THEY FIRE AT DIFFERENT TIMES. . . THE LEADING PLUGS FIRE AT THE SAME TIME ALL THE TIME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
if you want to amplify ANY system using TWO coils you need to look into msd's dis2 amp box. it has the capability to fire two coil packs on their own. you only NEED two boxes. . . one for the dual outlet leading coil (like an msd 6a box) and one (HAS to be like the msd dis2 box) for the trailing coils. if you DONT use the dis2 box on the setup that uses two coils, youll have the same problem that mark had. make sense?
paul
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO. . . . YOU CANT DO THAT WITH THE TRAILING COIL!!!! IT HAS TWO DIFFERENT COILS CAUSE THEY FIRE AT DIFFERENT TIMES. . . THE LEADING PLUGS FIRE AT THE SAME TIME ALL THE TIME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
if you want to amplify ANY system using TWO coils you need to look into msd's dis2 amp box. it has the capability to fire two coil packs on their own. you only NEED two boxes. . . one for the dual outlet leading coil (like an msd 6a box) and one (HAS to be like the msd dis2 box) for the trailing coils. if you DONT use the dis2 box on the setup that uses two coils, youll have the same problem that mark had. make sense?
paul
Leading coil dual outlets, one amp.
Trailing coils, two coils two amps?
That was how i ment (sorry)
06-09-04, 06:38 PM
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there ya go!!!! thats the setup you want. . . noooooooow, that youve understood what is needed for the basic setup. . . why dont you do this. . . get an msd 6 series box for the leading coil and an msd DIS-2 box for the two trailing coils. msd has come out with new technology for distributorless ignitions. they have a box that can handle the load for two different coils. . . even though the different coils are firing at different times.
this is how my setup will be. one digital 6 (its in the msd 6 series) amp going to a dual outlet nology coil and one DIS-2 amp goind to the STOCK trailing coils. i use stock cause there really isnt much of a need for really high voltage on the trailing side. remember, this DIS-2 box is the new technology that msd has come up with (and they arent alone in that. . . but you know who they are and obviously trust them so ill use them. . . i like msd as well
) that can control TWO coils with separate firing orders.
follow?
paul
this is how my setup will be. one digital 6 (its in the msd 6 series) amp going to a dual outlet nology coil and one DIS-2 amp goind to the STOCK trailing coils. i use stock cause there really isnt much of a need for really high voltage on the trailing side. remember, this DIS-2 box is the new technology that msd has come up with (and they arent alone in that. . . but you know who they are and obviously trust them so ill use them. . . i like msd as well
) that can control TWO coils with separate firing orders. follow?
paul
06-09-04, 06:57 PM
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Originally posted by rotorbrain
there ya go!!!! thats the setup you want. . . noooooooow, that youve understood what is needed for the basic setup. . . why dont you do this. . . get an msd 6 series box for the leading coil and an msd DIS-2 box for the two trailing coils. msd has come out with new technology for distributorless ignitions. they have a box that can handle the load for two different coils. . . even though the different coils are firing at different times.
this is how my setup will be. one digital 6 (its in the msd 6 series) amp going to a dual outlet nology coil and one DIS-2 amp goind to the STOCK trailing coils. i use stock cause there really isnt much of a need for really high voltage on the trailing side. remember, this DIS-2 box is the new technology that msd has come up with (and they arent alone in that. . . but you know who they are and obviously trust them so ill use them. . . i like msd as well) that can control TWO coils with separate firing orders.
follow?
paul
there ya go!!!! thats the setup you want. . . noooooooow, that youve understood what is needed for the basic setup. . . why dont you do this. . . get an msd 6 series box for the leading coil and an msd DIS-2 box for the two trailing coils. msd has come out with new technology for distributorless ignitions. they have a box that can handle the load for two different coils. . . even though the different coils are firing at different times.
this is how my setup will be. one digital 6 (its in the msd 6 series) amp going to a dual outlet nology coil and one DIS-2 amp goind to the STOCK trailing coils. i use stock cause there really isnt much of a need for really high voltage on the trailing side. remember, this DIS-2 box is the new technology that msd has come up with (and they arent alone in that. . . but you know who they are and obviously trust them so ill use them. . . i like msd as well
) that can control TWO coils with separate firing orders. follow?
paul
I had in mind to get 2 Jacobs FC1000 and 2 Jacobs coils for leading. And 1 FC1000 running to a T2 coil to trailing, just for the fun of it.
Your setup probably is better.
Maybe i just update my leading, and thats about 350$, and i like that number.
06-09-04, 07:22 PM
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if youre talking about upgrading the leading only then yes. the thing about one amp on the trailing?. . . no. you dont wanna have all coils amped except one. that would be hard to tune. haha.
what kind of power are we talking about making here? what boost levels?
paul
what kind of power are we talking about making here? what boost levels?
paul
06-09-04, 07:27 PM
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Originally posted by rotorbrain
if youre talking about upgrading the leading only then yes. the thing about one amp on the trailing?. . . no. you dont wanna have all coils amped except one. that would be hard to tune. haha.
what kind of power are we talking about making here? what boost levels?
paul
if youre talking about upgrading the leading only then yes. the thing about one amp on the trailing?. . . no. you dont wanna have all coils amped except one. that would be hard to tune. haha.
what kind of power are we talking about making here? what boost levels?
paul
But i´ll probably just upgrade the leading.
I´ve just put my car together. I´m using a GT42. And basiclly the entire car is build for 500-600hp. I´m missing better ignition now.
I´ll be satisfied with 450-500hp.
06-10-04, 08:25 AM
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No, how can it when the T1 and T2 coils are to fire at different times?
Think about it - why did MAZDA use a dual post L coil and separate T coils? Refer to www.rotaryengineillustrated.com - go to the animation library to read and see the ignition firing order.
Think about it - why did MAZDA use a dual post L coil and separate T coils? Refer to www.rotaryengineillustrated.com - go to the animation library to read and see the ignition firing order.
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06-10-04, 08:27 AM
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But if i have a trailing with dual outputs, dosent it work with one amp then?
No, how can it when the T1 and T2 coils are to fire at different times?
Think about it - why did MAZDA use a dual post L coil and separate T coils? Refer to www.rotaryengineillustrated.com - go to the animation library to read and see the ignition firing order.
No, how can it when the T1 and T2 coils are to fire at different times?
Think about it - why did MAZDA use a dual post L coil and separate T coils? Refer to www.rotaryengineillustrated.com - go to the animation library to read and see the ignition firing order.
06-10-04, 10:57 AM
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Originally posted by mark57
But if i have a trailing with dual outputs, dosent it work with one amp then?
No, how can it when the T1 and T2 coils are to fire at different times?
Think about it - why did MAZDA use a dual post L coil and separate T coils? Refer to www.rotaryengineillustrated.com - go to the animation library to read and see the ignition firing order.
But if i have a trailing with dual outputs, dosent it work with one amp then?
No, how can it when the T1 and T2 coils are to fire at different times?
Think about it - why did MAZDA use a dual post L coil and separate T coils? Refer to www.rotaryengineillustrated.com - go to the animation library to read and see the ignition firing order.
Trailing coil, two coils and two amps.
I dont mean Trailing1 and trailing2 i mean from a RX7 T2, they have much stronger coils then the FD.
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Don't forget about the AEM ignition Amp. That thing packs quite a punch. I'm still in debate as to which aftermarket coil setup would work best with the AEM and not burn out. Only time will tell how long the stock trailing coils last on my setup.