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Old 07-12-05, 11:16 PM
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which is easier, removing engine with or without trans?

I'm removing my engine and have been trying to seperate my engine from the transmission. I have the transmission supported with a jack. I belive there are 5 or 6 bolts that hold the transmisson to the engine, ive tried pulling and tugging the engine and engine hoist and can only seem to get the engine to wobble back and forth on the input shaft of the transmission. I've only been able to seperate them less than a half inch. I'm wondering if it would just be easier to remove the transmission with the engine, or am i missing something?

I'm pulling the wire loom with the engine and have removed the loom from the transmission, removed motor mount bolts, removed all collant hoses, oil injection, vacuum hoses, fuel hoses, downpipe, smic, pretty much everything to get a clear shot at removing it. I have pulled the engine away from the sub frame so i have a suspended engine and trans. I ran out of light and couldnt see if i was missing anything. Is there a good step by step guide in case i missed anything?

I feel embarrased, I remove engines out of sand rails daily but they are easy, the transmissions are bolted to the frame so the engines can easily be pried away.
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Did you remove the starter? there is a tranny bold behind it.

i think there are five bolts going to the tranny.

Also, did you remove the 6 bolts connecting hte tranny to the flywheel?

I just took my motor out last night, its easier w/o the tranny, I think.
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yeah i got the one behind the starter. And um.. how does the tranny connect to the flywheel? The flywheel connects to the engine. Or are you talking about a dust cover or something that i forgot about? Please explain.
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there is a cover on top of the motor in the rear, held on with one bolt.

Remove this and you can see the flywheel.

turn the crank so you can see the bolts, there are 6 of them, and you have to turn the crank each time in order to access each bolt.
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Remove the inspection plate that attaches to the front right (lower) on the tranny. With the plate removed, then remove each of the pressure plate bolts. The engine should now come out easily.
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holy crap, didnt know about this. Is there a diagram anywhere that i can look at so I can understand better on how things are held together.

edit: im guessing these are the joys of a pull type clutch?
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adam c: thanks for the correction, the bolts are attached to the pressure plate not the flywheel, correct?
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the bolts connect the pressure plate to the flywheel. Is there a way to seperate the throw out bearing instead of removing the pressure plate bolts, i would imagine that is the method you would have to do in reverse to get everything back together, yes?
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Originally Posted by Aeka GSR
the bolts connect the pressure plate to the flywheel. Is there a way to seperate the throw out bearing instead of removing the pressure plate bolts, i would imagine that is the method you would have to do in reverse to get everything back together, yes?
Yes, but often it's a little easier for a first-timer (or those unfamiliar with a pull-clutch) to unbolt the PP. Check out this thread for more info:

https://www.rx7club.com/3rd-gen-archives-73/dealing-pull-type-clutch-video-256126/

-Rob
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There is a good step by step guide, it is the Mazda Workshop Manual.
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Originally Posted by cewrx7r1
There is a good step by step guide, it is the Mazda Workshop Manual.
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Originally Posted by Aeka GSR
the bolts connect the pressure plate to the flywheel. Is there a way to seperate the throw out bearing instead of removing the pressure plate bolts, i would imagine that is the method you would have to do in reverse to get everything back together, yes?
Did you disengage the throwout bearing from the clutch?
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I would say it depends on whether you have a good transmission jack and whether the clutch wedge ring collar thingy separates the way the factory manual says it should.
Timewise, it's probably faster to pull out the intercooler, then pull the engine and trans together....if you have a person or two to help you guide it out.
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