FormerPorscheGuy

Has anyone put a dry sump oiling system in there FD? I know the benefit of a dry sump oiling system and I was wondering if there was a kit for it or a build sheet for the do-it-yourselves like me. Is this even a possibility for a 13b? Thanks for the help and comments.

Sincerely,
Jason C. Williams

93BlackFD

yes, it's very possible

will run you in excess of $2000 for a good system

FormerPorscheGuy

Do you have a link to it?

Carlos Iglesias

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Do you Autocross...

http://www.mazdamotorsports.com/weba...0001&langId=-1

then scoll down and click on:

"New Part
High Flow Dry Sump Conversion Kit and High Flow Dry Sump (click image below)

The High Flow Dry sump has been reported to acheive up to 11 gallons per minute, at 140 psi at 9600 rpm."

I seem to recall that the Mazda (factory) Competition Parts dry sump was closer to $3K for the whole shebang.

FormerPorscheGuy

Cool, thanks Carlos.

Fatman0203

I have a complete dry sump system (Moroso) completly new that I may be selling.

RX7SpiritR

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is it fairly simple to install a dry sump onto a 13b? I guess what I'm asking is, what is involved when converting to a dry sump system?

Fatman0203

Probably the only difficulty would be because of the space involved in the engine bay and the car itself. Your very limited as where you could put it.

maxpesce

The MAZDA drysump system reguires a complete new front cover and zero volume sump (allows the engine to be lowered aprox 4-6") It probably requires the engine be removed to install. Then you have to find a location for the remote oil resevoir (usually around 10-12 qts) and run feed & return oil lines, etc - NOT a simple process!

93BlackFD

that's a pretty simple process to me....

teamstealth

couldnt the resivoir (sp?) be put in the bin behind the driver or would that not be the safest idea in the world? Another spot i personally would put it, is remove the ABS and put it there, with a heatshield to keep the downpipe heat from melting it.

-Zach

teamstealth

and just out of curiousity...why does the dry sump system need 3 times the oil capacity?

CrispyRX7

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Hey Carlos, is the dry sump kit on your radar screen for install?
Crispy

93BlackFD

it's on mine ;-)

93BlackFD

that's one of the benfits, increased oil capacity = oil lasts longer, cools better

also it performs better at higher RPMS

look at a porsche 996 (twin turbo)

it has a 9quart oil resevoir in the front, oil lines run to rear, completely dry sump, runs 0W-50 oil, thinner oil = more power

DamonB

Don't forget what you have to do with the engine mount area in the pan...

CrispyRX7

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Have at it...I'd love to see/hear how the install goes and how it looks installed.
Crispy

93BlackFD

no damon, whatever piece of flat metal you fab for the bottom of the motor (usually thick alumnium to keep the housings from flexing), you simply drill out holes for the motor mounts, the motor mounts bolt to the rear cover, not the oil pan itself

RX7SpiritR

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Sounds like a fun experience to me. I may possibly think about this later when some money comes in. But of course I want to do a lot more to my car way before the thought of an dry sump comes into play. That's some serious track events right there!

DamonB

Ooooh. Your right; thanks. I knew I had looked at the bottom of a friend's dry sump 13B and it was a flat plate, but I couldn't place where the mounts were

FormerPorscheGuy

Thanks for all the info guys.

Carlos Iglesias

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Hey Crispy,

A dry Sump is definitely quite a bit beyond my radar range! Definitely need National Level Resources to target in in my AO (Area of Operations!) ;-)

However, if I did find myself considering it, I'd definitely take a hard look at also lowering the engine along with the dry sump system. This seems to be a major advantage of a the system that would be a waste to not exploit.

LDawg

93BlackFD, I PM'ed you.

DamonB

Pic of the $4200 dry sump front cover from Mazdaspeed Motorsports


Part No.
4352-10-600
Description
COVER, FRONT - DRY SUMP
Notes
Mazda factory system. Fitment requires use of the following additional components. Drive Gear 4352-11-521, Pressure Regulator 4801-14-250, Suction Pipe-left 4352-14-410, Suction Pipe-right 4352-14-420, O-rings (2) 4801-14-433, Fittings ZR03-14-R96 (-12) and ZR03-14-R98(-16), 9938-41-400 (stock), Oil Strainer (2) 4801-14-713, and Dry Sump Plate.

There is a newer one available as well for only $2200:

Part No.
0000-01-9312
Description
COVER, FRONT DRY SUMP - HIGH FLOW
Notes
New design dry sump front cover. Flows 30-40 better than the original Mazda Factory Dry Sump. Fitment requires use of the following additional components. Drive Gear 4352-11-521, Pressure Regulator 4801-14-250, Suction Pipe-left 4352-14-410, Suction Pipe-right 4352-14-420, O-rings (2) 4801-14-433, Fittings ZR03-14-R96 (-12) and ZR03-14-R98(-16), 9938-41-400 (stock), Oil Strainer (2) 4801-14-713, and Dry Sump Plate.

Part No. 0000-01-9314 is the same but has no distributor hole (for ignitions with no distributor but crank triggers; like on the FD)

the_glass_man

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Doh, should have asked Santa for one for Christmas!!!
So that price is for the front cover only? How much does it come out to with the pan, pump, all required parts, etc...