Does the Rotary Extreme Replica Scoot hood really fit better?
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He should loan out some of his "original" things for people to copy. Notice I said loan, it wouldn't be fair to make someone actually buy one before duplicating, it would only be fitting though. Before you say anything I'm not interested : P I'm surprised nobody has mentioned anything about...the sincerest form of flatery yet and how that should be all the compensation that shops need : ).
Kevin T. Wyum
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This topic comes back every so often.
And lord knows, I've contributed my $.02 in the past.
As you guys have said,...some times, the market is so small,...that the cost of pursuing legal action makes it not worthwhile to do so.
And as mentioned,...there will always be people who will fork out the cash for the real stuff. And there will always be people who will purchase the knockoffs.
Much like the fashion industry. Those knockoff Louie Vuitton, Prada, Gucci, Burberry, etc. bags are all over the place. Fake Tag and Rolex watches.
I like the original stuff. That is my opinion. The money paid for an original design, pays the original "artist" for their R&D and puts food on their table. Without it,...they will never be able to create more future "works of art".
And lord knows, I've contributed my $.02 in the past.
As you guys have said,...some times, the market is so small,...that the cost of pursuing legal action makes it not worthwhile to do so.
And as mentioned,...there will always be people who will fork out the cash for the real stuff. And there will always be people who will purchase the knockoffs.
Much like the fashion industry. Those knockoff Louie Vuitton, Prada, Gucci, Burberry, etc. bags are all over the place. Fake Tag and Rolex watches.
I like the original stuff. That is my opinion. The money paid for an original design, pays the original "artist" for their R&D and puts food on their table. Without it,...they will never be able to create more future "works of art".
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I agree somewhat, but at some point you're not helping the artist working for Gucci @ 45k / Yr but the CEO Starving to death @ $1.5 Million a year... 
For those examples you gave, you're paying for a name, there's no way a rolex in parts or design is woth $5G's.. even if they make them in limited numbers it's a ploy yo make something "Exclusive".
As for my example, I will pay $800 for a Motherboard and P4 processor, that JUST came out, why ? I want the newest technology, and I understand that there are Significant research costs incurred in technology/medical research, and car design. Where it gets crazy is when Ferrari or Lotus start chargeing exorbenat amounts of money for something and justify it with engineering costs, and all alluminum construction... Audi has those, but they're mass amrketing.... humm.... a mass marketed Ferrari .... Nice ! I'll buy one for $60k
For those examples you gave, you're paying for a name, there's no way a rolex in parts or design is woth $5G's.. even if they make them in limited numbers it's a ploy yo make something "Exclusive".
As for my example, I will pay $800 for a Motherboard and P4 processor, that JUST came out, why ? I want the newest technology, and I understand that there are Significant research costs incurred in technology/medical research, and car design. Where it gets crazy is when Ferrari or Lotus start chargeing exorbenat amounts of money for something and justify it with engineering costs, and all alluminum construction... Audi has those, but they're mass amrketing.... humm.... a mass marketed Ferrari .... Nice ! I'll buy one for $60k
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Unfortunately what you're proposing DCrosby is that if someone charges too much in your opinion it becomes lawful and acceptable to steal from them. Who's the judge then on what's too much before theft is okay? You? There's never a point where you can justify theft because they're charging too much. They could be charging $20 million for a door handle and it doesn't make it okay to steal the design. If nothing else it makes the person an even bigger thief/criminal for defrauding an even larger dollar amount.
The legal and lawful solution to the circumstance you've outlined is not that stealing becomes okay if you think they're charging too much. After all couldn't you just keep saying it's too much till it's below cost? That's a slippery slope and for the most part actionable in industries that have money. The real solution is for another vendor to say, "That product isn't that good. I can make something just as good for a lot less." Then they put forward their concept at a better price to steal away all the customers. The important part is no matter the price morally you never have the right to steal the design or directly copy someone elses product. You instead create your idea to compete with it at a price you think is reasonable.
If a product is no longer manufactured that's a different story. I'm only talking about stuff that is in current manufacture.
The legal and lawful solution to the circumstance you've outlined is not that stealing becomes okay if you think they're charging too much. After all couldn't you just keep saying it's too much till it's below cost? That's a slippery slope and for the most part actionable in industries that have money. The real solution is for another vendor to say, "That product isn't that good. I can make something just as good for a lot less." Then they put forward their concept at a better price to steal away all the customers. The important part is no matter the price morally you never have the right to steal the design or directly copy someone elses product. You instead create your idea to compete with it at a price you think is reasonable.
If a product is no longer manufactured that's a different story. I'm only talking about stuff that is in current manufacture.
Re: Re: replica
Originally posted by Kevin T. Wyum
You'd know. You'd also know you've defrauded the person who originally designed it. They had the creativity, intelligence and spent the time, effort and money to develop it, make sure it fit, make sure it looks good and took the risk that people wouldn't like it meaning all of that time, effort and money would be lost.
Instead what you're supporting is some dirtballs, err vultures waiting to see what people like, taking no risk, having no development cost (oh wait they had to buy a copy, err never mind sometimes they lie and borrow them from people claiming they want to see if they like it) and essentially engaging in near criminal behavior to steal the efforts of others because they don't have the skills to design a competing product.
With these body kit items it's not just "looks almost exactly the same", these losers are literally making molds, flat out stealing the exact designs from the original designers. This happens because the companies they're stealing from are too small to invest in the significant legal expenses required to put a stop to it, in this case on a different continent.
If you think about it this is pretty funny. Most Americans in business think about ".. those f'ing Chinese stealing and copying products." In this case the Japanese in those shops probably say, "Those f'ing dirtball Americans stealing and copying our products." Here's another little jewel to think about. If people were actually buying the kits from the original source they'd probably setup distribution here based on demand and likely charge a hell of a lot less. They also wouldn't have to charge so much to cover for the thieves stealing their products.
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You'd know. You'd also know you've defrauded the person who originally designed it. They had the creativity, intelligence and spent the time, effort and money to develop it, make sure it fit, make sure it looks good and took the risk that people wouldn't like it meaning all of that time, effort and money would be lost.
Instead what you're supporting is some dirtballs, err vultures waiting to see what people like, taking no risk, having no development cost (oh wait they had to buy a copy, err never mind sometimes they lie and borrow them from people claiming they want to see if they like it) and essentially engaging in near criminal behavior to steal the efforts of others because they don't have the skills to design a competing product.
With these body kit items it's not just "looks almost exactly the same", these losers are literally making molds, flat out stealing the exact designs from the original designers. This happens because the companies they're stealing from are too small to invest in the significant legal expenses required to put a stop to it, in this case on a different continent.
If you think about it this is pretty funny. Most Americans in business think about ".. those f'ing Chinese stealing and copying products." In this case the Japanese in those shops probably say, "Those f'ing dirtball Americans stealing and copying our products." Here's another little jewel to think about. If people were actually buying the kits from the original source they'd probably setup distribution here based on demand and likely charge a hell of a lot less. They also wouldn't have to charge so much to cover for the thieves stealing their products.
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I don't know why you think copiers are dirtbags. It's business. Your IC looked just like PFS race IC which came out 3 years before yours. By your logic, who's the dirt bag here.
Imaginary ethics aside, copying is very important, it forces innovation worthy of legal protection: the patent.
Yes, you can rant about the legal system, but which one would you rather have: one where goons go down and break Chuck's arms and legs and one where things are settled with money payments?
Originally posted by Kevin T. Wyum
They could be charging $20 million for a door handle and it doesn't make it okay to steal the design. If nothing else it makes the person an even bigger thief/criminal for defrauding an even larger dollar amount.
The legal and lawful solution to the circumstance you've outlined is not that stealing becomes okay if you think they're charging too much. After all couldn't you just keep saying it's too much till it's below cost? That's a slippery slope and for the most part actionable in industries that have money. The real solution is for another vendor to say, "That product isn't that good. I can make something just as good for a lot less." Then they put forward their concept at a better price to steal away all the customers. The important part is no matter the price morally you never have the right to steal the design or directly copy someone elses product. You instead create your idea to compete with it at a price you think is reasonable.
They could be charging $20 million for a door handle and it doesn't make it okay to steal the design. If nothing else it makes the person an even bigger thief/criminal for defrauding an even larger dollar amount.
The legal and lawful solution to the circumstance you've outlined is not that stealing becomes okay if you think they're charging too much. After all couldn't you just keep saying it's too much till it's below cost? That's a slippery slope and for the most part actionable in industries that have money. The real solution is for another vendor to say, "That product isn't that good. I can make something just as good for a lot less." Then they put forward their concept at a better price to steal away all the customers. The important part is no matter the price morally you never have the right to steal the design or directly copy someone elses product. You instead create your idea to compete with it at a price you think is reasonable.
WHAT!!! There is nothing illegal or unlawful about copying Scoot design if it is not protected under the law. Your intellectual property is not protected if you don't avail yourself of protection granted by the law.
YES. The US Supreme Court has even said so in many cases. For example, the perfume cases.
I can copy your IC if it's not protected under a patent or design patent. You make it sound like copying is wrong. IT ISN"T. IF it is, why did the final arbiter of the law said you can?
FWIW I do have your IC large in my car. It's not a copy b/c it's too much efforts to duplicate.
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