I am inches away from buying an original scoot hood because i would believe that the original part would come in better quality with a better fitment. I have read in a few places that the Rotary Extreme hood actually fits better. Any experience would be appreciated before i lose almost $2000

 

from what chuck has posted he has fixed the latch so its tighter and done the edges a little better. send him a PM he can explain better i think. everything ive bought from him is great, and hes a good guy.

 

2 THOUSAND dollars on a HOOD?

Are you OUT OF YOUR MIND?

Do you know how many functional useful things you could purchase for TWO GRAND?

 

::shakes head:: thats just wrong, you know where you coulld put those 2k?

 

What is wrong with spending $2k on a hood. If it wasn't for people like me building wild rides, you wouldn't have anything to read about or look up to! If i only had a couple grand to spend on the project, then i would not consider it at all but that is not the case.

Any way, we are getting off track of the question?

 

Look up to? Most people don't look up to someone just because they have money to burn. They look up to people who treat others with respect and demostrate manners as well as knowledge.

As far as the original question, very few (if any) people on this forum have purchased an original Scoot hood. The only information that you will most likely be able to find is the information that Chuck of Rotary Extreme posted upon receiving his original. Chuck fixed the imperfections in his replicas of the original he received. That doesn't necessarily mean that ALL originals will have those same, if any, imperfections but that's all we have to go on.

 

most people like show cars but wouldn't do it to their car...not looking up to you for that. If it's just for show, why not get the N1 hood that chuck has at rotary extreme. I like it better than the scoot hood.

Tim

 

the replica cant be that much diffrent. plenty of people have it, so im sure it fits fine.

 

Uh, I think I'll try and simplify this from someone's view who can't throw down 2k for a hood. I have seen the replica, and it fits wonderfully. Once I get the cash for it, it will be on the car. The replica is what 600 bucks? Take that other 1400 and buy some other cool stuff. Its not how much you spend that is gonna get everyone's reaction on here. It's the quality of the job. If you spend 2k on the hood, and I spent 600 on a hood, who would know the difference? Its not always better to "pay the price" for a name, bc in the end thats all you bought. Either way, good luck, wish I had 2k to throw around about now.

 

wow, that got some response. I got 2 responses in 2 weeks and all of the sudden 4 in just one day. Two things i found about car forums in general is that there is a lot of knowledge to be taken in by other peoples past experience, and the other is that if you like drama, one could stay happy reading posts all day long!

I did not mean to come off wrong, i just was trying to get some input from past experience on the subject. I seen threads get so off track that they didnt even end up on the same subject at all!

Again, sorry, did not meen to offend anyone.

 

You'd know. You'd also know you've defrauded the person who originally designed it. They had the creativity, intelligence and spent the time, effort and money to develop it, make sure it fit, make sure it looks good and took the risk that people wouldn't like it meaning all of that time, effort and money would be lost.

Instead what you're supporting is some dirtballs, err vultures waiting to see what people like, taking no risk, having no development cost (oh wait they had to buy a copy, err never mind sometimes they lie and borrow them from people claiming they want to see if they like it) and essentially engaging in near criminal behavior to steal the efforts of others because they don't have the skills to design a competing product.

With these body kit items it's not just "looks almost exactly the same", these losers are literally making molds, flat out stealing the exact designs from the original designers. This happens because the companies they're stealing from are too small to invest in the significant legal expenses required to put a stop to it, in this case on a different continent.

If you think about it this is pretty funny. Most Americans in business think about ".. those f'ing Chinese stealing and copying products." In this case the Japanese in those shops probably say, "Those f'ing dirtball Americans stealing and copying our products." Here's another little jewel to think about. If people were actually buying the kits from the original source they'd probably setup distribution here based on demand and likely charge a hell of a lot less. They also wouldn't have to charge so much to cover for the thieves stealing their products.

Rant off

 

id doubt it would drop as low as rotary extremes cost, kevin. . . nice rant though. . . buncha dirtbags. haha. ill be one of those dirtbags.

paul

 

wow, a little sharp but i believe every word you said. There is so many knock-off body kits around it is crazy. I have seen so many knock off kits fit like crap because it is a copy of a copy. That is why i was asking for experience of the fitment of this particular hood. I was considering buying the replica to save the money.

When i talk to companies in japan about body parts, they can believe that a full 4 piece body kit can be purchased for under $600 in the U.S.

 

I meant they can't believe that a body kit can be purchased for under $600 in the U.S.

 

It's easy to sell things cheap when you don't have any R & D expense, only steal the designs that are a proven success and don't even have to pay anyone to make a real mold and instead copy it off a finished part you borrow no less. It's like being given the lottery numbers before the drawing, you get a winner every time without risk. Correct me if I'm wrong but at least one of these places is so bad about it that they post on message boards asking people in advance to commit to buying the stolen designs to make sure there's enough to demand to engage in the effort of stealing it. That's so pathetic I have to laugh. It's not enough simply to steal it, they have to make sure there's enough demand to steal it in advance?? How F'ed up is that. You wonder why it costs so much more to be a legitimate vendor?

I could be wrong but there is likely a general copyright violation for every one of those products sold when they're making an exact copy. There's probably enough stolen to justify some legal exploration.

Kevin T. Wyum

 

and I thought replicas were for products discontinued?!?!?!

Why are the OEM side skirts soooo $$$$

 

Scoot has no US presence whatsoever. Rotary Extreme has no Japanese presence whatsoever. So yeah, the Rotary Extreme hood is a knockoff of the Scoot hood. But really when it's such a pain to get real Scoot anything here I don't think Scoot really care themselves.

 

I wasn't specifically talking about Rotary Extreme and the Scoot issue, I meant to be more general about the entire practice which is not limited to one person by any means. Honestly I don't even know what a scoot hood looks like. Of course who's going to spend the money to set up distribution when you know some blank is just going to copy everything from a little shop : )

So sorry if I made it sound like it was only directed at one person. I was in fact badmouthing a lot of people for doing it (chuckle)

 

Kevin, you'll never accomplish anything by preaching to people about the evils of buying knock-offs. I know, I've tried. Until it's their design and their hard work being ripped off, they really don't care. All they care about is the bottom line... how much they have to pay for parts.

I got the same lack of sympathy from many people when my bushings were duplicated by an unscrupulous vendor who borrowed a set from a customer. The general justification seems to be "they cost too much", a sentiment usually expressed by people who haven't the slightest idea of what went into designing, testing, and manufacturing something because they've never actually made anything of their own. Apparently all it takes is a preconception of what they think something should cost to arrive at that decision that it costs too much, and at that point it's OK for someone else to knock off if it will bring the price down.

In the end, there will always be people willing to pay half or less of the cost of a genuine item in order to save themselves a buck or three, and people willing to rip off someone else's hard work and innovation to sell it to them at that cost, and they'll both rationalize it by saying that "everyone else is doing it, why shouldn't I?".

 

In the real world they quite likely have legal recourse to stop it and recover damages since it's an exact copy, the problem in these small niche markets is the people doing it are usually extremely poor and don't have a pot to **** in so it's not worth the legal expense, a house with a big fat lump of equity changes the landscape of course.

On the other hand the market for RX7 products is so small and sadly continuing to get smaller domestically that it's not worth any legal action to protect the product lines or stop them either, ignoring recovering damages.

It's kind of like the people that wear a fake Rolex. There will always be the people out there that want to be like the real Rolex owners so they buy the Southeast Asian ones and pretend its real, hoping to impress everyone that sees them with their fake product heh. Of course in that analogy I guess it makes the people making the fake products the dirty factories in the jungle : )

 

You need to catch someone coming from Japan to the US for good prices hehe

Anyway knock-off wrong, but probably never stop.

Scoot hood-Dont you like any others? that hood is a DIME a dozen now... WELL the replicas are everywhere, everyone and their mother jump in on those. I never got one, i think it looks BADASH on one FD I ever saw and thats the Scoot car and too bad it didnt stay there.

I mean get something you like..... of course.... But dont get one because you see it in MAGs and ***** because SOON you wont see it anymore and found you bought it for ALL the wrong reasons.

 

Kevin, I agree with you, but in this case, as someone mentioned, Scoot does not have a US distribution, so what would you do? People in Japan are NOT paying the equivalent of $2000 to buy that hood.....

But you can take your argument a long way in a lot of different directions....for example, do you go to your local computer store and pay full retail on parts for the very questionable benefit of "local service", or do you buy everything from newegg.com and save a lot of money?

 

Nevermind, that was a bad point in my above post. I agree with you, Kevin.

 

it depends on how you look at it. From an IO perspective, this creates disincentives for companies to invest in R&D knowing that their products will be ripped off unless there is some type of patent--which these shops obviously don't have. However, fromt he consumer's point of view, they are better off because they are getting it for cheaper.

This is not to say I condone knock-offs, I know that if I was to come out with my own product and some guy tried to copy it, i would be pissed. I'm just saying it as it is

 

and one more thing:

for those who are bashing rotaryextreme (you know who you are) he has come out with original things to my knowledge ie, oil cooler kits and turbo kits, or other stuff, correct me if i'm wrong though