no_more_rice

Sure, nothing is invincible but alot depends on the engine - older Boxsters and Caymans were essentially throw-away motors and not well suited for track use. The 996 and 997 turbo engines are robust.

tabuk1!

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Would like some details on this..I'm interested

Group Buy! Group Buy! Group Buy!!

hades

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I know - FD not made to drag race, but anyways....

All things being equal - how much faster do you get with 500 vs 400 whp? especially on really good, but not drag slicks?

j9fd3s

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until a coolant hose pops off... ive been to the track a lot, and ive seen a lot of expensive things turned into paperweights.

996, 997's included. its not very common, but it does happen

rotaryinspired

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Like Richard Holt driving the UGR orange lambo he crashed. He broke a $25K tranny friday night at the mile and they had it ready to go Saturday. And you thought 20B's were expensive.

NYRX7

How about suggestions for supporting mods to keep a 500 hp fd not only safe but for the best performance? For example traction control ....tips from those who have reached 500 would be great

R1_stormrider

same here, i rode in one that blew at the track too.

GT3s are prestigious cars, they have luxury, the performance and everything you should expect for paying as much as you do for one. but i agree, they are not invincible nor is any car that is pushed to its limits.

personally i would rather stay with my FD and keep that car. if im gonna spend big cash it'd be on something else. like a nice house or something, but not a porsche. the FD can compete with the big dogs to this day so why switch? win some lose some, but you have a chance with this car. sometimes, that is all you need. if guys want to spend 70k+ on a sports car, more power to them but they arent the end all solution to having a great time on the track

no_more_rice

"the -7- can't lose"

vets here will remember that guy

Mahjik

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Some of us already have houses...

Again, it's not about being the fastest at the track if you haven't been reading the thread. No matter what people say in this thread, you don't get points for passing cars at a DE. There is no one waiting in the pits to hand you a F1 contract because you passed a guy in a Ferrari who was out for a Sunday drive. TBH, unless you REALLY know the people at the DE, it's pointless to care if you pass anyone at all. People are out at DE's for all different reasons, with differing equipment and abilities. You want to know where you stand? Take it to an SCCA or NASA event and see how you do where (for the most part), equipment is somewhat equal and it comes down to your skill behind the wheel.....

t-von

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Hey there's nothing stopping you from buying and stocking up on 20b related stuff until that time comes when that perfectly running 13b finally goes. That's basically what I did. Bought the 20b in March 2003. 13b engine blew in Nov 2006! The swap became a reality. Think about all the research you could be doing right now? My experience tells me you will spend 95% of your time planning than actually working on this kind of project. Besides money, planning is the most important thing.

Rxmfn7

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^Ive been "building" my 20B project for close to 2 years now. So far its just been research and stockpiling parts. When the actual time comes to turn the first bolt, I want it to go as quick and smooth as possible.

no_more_rice

In all reality, unless you have the disposable income of someone like David Hayes to put into a $15k, 20 year old car, not many people are going to sign up for this...

Agree completely, and I think your car is a great example of what an FD should be - utterly unique, fast, and a joy to drive I'm sure.

How about "Gordon's 20B conversions"

RiceFx306

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Great thread. I'm going to look into some BNRs for now and put the GR63 on the shelf for the time being.

galognu

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Great info.

I've never been of the idea for 500hp, but I just cannot take the unreliability of the twins. I have not driven my car for more than a year due to many reasons, but certainly because of the crap with the turbo's, heat issues, front plate leak, etc....

I have made the decision to finally look into fixing it, and have spoken to a reputable builder who recommended a Borg Warner turbo. I am looking for what alot of people are. Instant boost or as close to the twins as possible without the pain of not having a descent mechanic who can troubleshoot that nightmare.

Any one ever use one of these turbos? s300? I think.


Thanks

arghx

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check out the single turbo section

FutileLover

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imo 500HP is better if achieving top speeds.

but for a fast car with great handling, lose weight.

from what i read on this thread, FD is better with lite mods for 350HP range

TRWeiss1

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^ Still, there's no substitute for 500+RWHP. I agree though. These cars are very quick/agile even @ 350RWHP.

rotaryinspired

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2009 Toyota Highlander 2010 Infiniti G37s Convertible 2011 Ferrari 458 Italia 2006 Ferrari F430 Spyder- (gone but loved) 2007 BMW M6 Convertible (gone and HATED) 2010 Audi V10 R8 Carbon Fiber Everywhere! (gone but loved) 2000 Ferrari 550 Maranello 1996 Mazda RX-7 (track racer!) 1961 Ferrari 250GT LWB (under glass)


Here is a copy and paste of another fellas vehicles from another forum I am on. Fairly nice list and what do you know there is a track car in there. What is it?

This is what I was talking about earlier. Mazda can compete in a high end sports car. Most of the people are just not on this board.

no_more_rice

Let me guess, you work in oil and gas exploration

t-von

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Hmmm what was wrong with the M6 convertible? I ask because my daily is a 2000 M5.

rotaryinspired

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Nope I am not oil and gas. I am just a poor spherical moving engineer who has taken a little time off to build a motor or two and buy and sell some cars.

Not sure why the guy didn't like the M6. My only experience is several trips in the 2010 650I and its not too bad, but the car has no feel.

versep

that car has no "soul" indeed.

Mahjik

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I don't know that the owner of those cars is a good measuring stick. When you have that kind of disposable income, most of the problems which 90% of the FD population complain about aren't an issue. A $10,000 service charge for Ferrari owners is nothing, while most current FD owners complain about $800 emissions harnesses. Apples and oranges.

Again, you can take any car and make it fast (or competitive if you prefer that term) if you have the time and/or money.

no_more_rice

But you're far ahead of the game if you start with a chassis that has the strength and rigidity to put horsepower to the ground - robust powertrain components are a plus as well, of course. That's not going to happen in a Mazda 3 or a Civic. Probably the cheapest route to a reliable 500 rwhp track beast is a supercharged C6. I'd pick that over a Beemer all day long. Hate to say it but I'd probably pick it over a single turbo 13b FD as well.

rotaryinspired

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I would care to wager that less than 50% of FD owners are on this board. And I would also say that 25% of those not on this board own other $$$$$$ sports cars. Again I know of several who could care less about rx7 club. One guy I know has 2 FD's, a 911 (997)tt, and a few other real track machines. You have to remember that most people over 35 really arent on this board. Sorry to a few of you if I offended, but its the truth.