I love going back and forth with no rice he reminds me a little bit of Jimlab and there was nobody more fun to play internet ping pong with.

 

Reread that post. Official cup car times are 1.20s and internet forum times from well respected GT3 track junkies are 1.32s or times similar to the wirds.

 

I think the fact that the time attack FDs (such as the Panspeed FD) are sitting around the 500hp mark also reinforces Frtiz's point.
On the track and in the hands of a professional (or at least damn good) driver, there seems to be little evidence that lower, somewhat more linear power is beneficial.

However, the touge time attack videos do somewhat disagree with this - and those guys certainly fit the bill of a 'damn good'/professional driver. Perhaps the narrow roads with no roll cage and trees a few meters off the road is a slight deterrance!

 

Since you're big on facts to back up claims, where are your facts?

 

Ok, lets get a little more friendly for this post. A standard road legal GT3 is no where near the same level as an RSR or a cup car which are full stripped down race cars with sequential gearboxes and full aero bodies setup to do only one thing. I never mentioned either of those machines and will agree with you that they are significantly faster (with a professional driver).

And even though I never "boasted" my lap time, I'll go ahead and comment on it since you mention it. This time was done in 2009 when I was still sub 400 rwhp (in fact all my RX-7 lap times in my sig are from 2009). My car is capable of more and I had planned to get into the 1.2x's this year but due to other things, all my track days this year were more for fun then anything else and with passengers at all times. In the previous 2 years I went through 2-3 sets of Hoosiers and this year I went by with a partially used set from 2009 and could still do another light track day on them before they hit cords. Hell, I even brought my RX-8 out this year to 2 track days since I wanted to try something different (Amazing chassis, no *****).

thewird

 

Yet he previously claimed he could "destroy" any GT3.....riiiight

 

He did say that and track smack comes cheap but he's running comparable lap times and that's what we were debating about.

 

At the same time you make it sound like an FD can't keep up with one under any circumstances. I think you should post some of your lap times before you go bashing someone else's.

 

I was referring to the street versions of the cars but your right, I wasn't clear about it. So now I hope we're all clear then.

And the internet makes track smack so easy too lol. I reread my posts and maybe it was a little too aggro.

thewird

 

I think Mr. no more rice has been driving Grand Tourismo too much. Grow up dude. You have guys who track their cars alot tell you where it is. Have you taken yours to the track? Since your sooo quick to bash people's times go run a few and post them up since you know all.

BTW comparing a professional driver to a guy who goes to the track for a weekend is flat out stupid. Its like comparing your local club champion (Golf) to a PGA touring pro. Trust me I know a little about that last statement. I can back it up w/ facts as well.

 

If 500rwhp makes a car slower around a track, someone should probably write Panspeed and tell them they need to de-tune their purpose built car (it makes 503rwhp curiosity of a T04Z turbo):

 

This thread is funny.

 

AND equally entertaining at the same time!!!

 

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Mis-quoted strawman arguments are tedious. No one ever said that, the issue was getting the power to the ground.

Sure, and how much do they have invested in the suspension, etc? Anyway, this is getting pretty far afield of this thread, I was referring to cars built and tuned by typical owners

 

Wow did this rather good thread turn to crap, I say move on or it gets locked.

~S~

 

Sean you must be kidding

It's his thread and this is just really starting to get fun

 

The FD doesn't have any more "issue" getting power to the ground than any other front engine/RWD car.

The "typical" 911 at the track has $7k worth of Motons on it... seriously. Probably more exotic than whatever Pan Speed is doing.

 

Your right but, were talking street cars here. The above is not and is most definitely not something we could just simply build in our garage like a normal 500hp Fd.

 

A 500 rwhp 13b FD doesn't have any issues getting power to the ground? Are you serious? I've been in a T-78 FD and recall very well how on/off the power delivery was in that car

 

a t78? wtf is this 1999?

imo a t-78 is one of the worst turbos out there so thats not a good example to wage an opinion

 

Ha, yeah I know it's an antiquated turbo but it had decent power.

 

so theres this turbo called the gt35r...

 

...and the 500R...

 

I didn't say it didn't have any issues, I said there isn't anything inhererent in the design that makes getting that power to the ground any more difficult than it is for any other front engine/RWD car. It's a matter of alignment, shock/spring tuning, and tire size/compound.

You've already got enough power to break the rear end loose coming out of corners on R-compounds with a "regular" 350 hp FD... your right foot does the work. Or, you could spend $1k on Racelogic, and overcome it with technology like many modern cars do.

 

T78s are actually really good kits for these cars especially for track use because they build good power relatively slowly. The power starts at 2750 and feels pretty strong (approx 200 rwhp and growing to full boost usually by 4250) because the airflow is so thick, cool and nasty it's not one of those turbos that's off and on like a big ball bearing turbo where the boost is flat and then suddenly you have 15 psi. Also as a result of the slow controlled boost build tuners can do a lot with this turbo as boost builds which helps with the lag feeling. Personally for road racing I like the t78 more than a 35r.

Today I'd select HKS t04z kit. Well made kit that makes good quick power with lots of top end which is a hard combo to beat. Sort of like a big Rx6.

Paul Winters track car was making around 475 with a t78 and it's a ***** cat. I haven't seen his car in years but the power was usable and accessible and my guess is he's probably making more power and the car is better than ever.

Brad's KB car that I bought and drove for 3 years or so had a t78 (11 psi) making approx 400 rwhp and again the power was immediate and controllable at all times on Dunlop 265s R compound high performance tires not even a hoosier more like a toyo 888.

I could go on and on with the various track cars and setups I've driven or ridden in etc... but those are two t78 cars making decent power that were easy to drive.