DMoneyRX-7

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http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Vorte...40046641QQrdZ1

I saw a thing on tv that lasted about 30 minutes that actually showed that these might work. Does anyone have any experience?

RX7Wishing

omg run away from that ****....

Seriously. they are no good for a forced induction engine. all it would be is an obstruction.

impactwrench

Wise up

XSTransAm

i dont see how that would help with a turbo since the turbo is basically doing the same thing already.

DMoneyRX-7

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Actually thats not what the turbo is doing. The turbo is compressing air from the inlets in the housing then sending it to the intercooler. it isnt making a vortex. And i didnt asked if anyone has ever used them or had any experience with them. Not if they are a bad idea or not. Its not like im gonna order em with just an opinion.

Mr3plus1

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Doood, those give mAd tYte horsepowa. Install 2 and its twice da powa!



Seriously man. It looks like a modded beer can you stick in your intake. If it really worked, all the car companies would be all over it. Id actually be afraid of one of those fins breaking off and getting sucked into the engine/turbos. ....ya

DMoneyRX-7

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I dont know why you said that first comment. Its not like i am a ricer or anything. I do not have chrome taillights or ne thing. I was just wondering because I haven't ever heard any feedback and my friend was looking at em for him truck. But true that on the second comment.

PDViper77

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It looks like a similiar product compared to the Tornado Fuel Saver or the Turbonator. I know someone that tried to order a Tornado Fuel saver for his WRX and he couldn't do it because they don't make them for boosted cars. Again, they are not designed for forced induction cars.

DMoneyRX-7

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Thanks for telling me that they arent "designed for turbocharged vehicles" instead of they are pointless on turobcharged cars.

RxSeven1

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aka **** flingers...

weetbix13

ok, what i think.
this in the intake will create the 'optimum vortex' but as soon as it hits the turbine blades it will break the vortex and any advantage is gone... you'd have to put it up in the elbow, but that won't have any effect because it is all just forced air at that stage (this'd only be useful in suction, not forced pressure)... i.e. rubbish for forced induction.

XSTransAm

you dont think the spinning turbo blades create a vortex inside the intake?

Sled Driver

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Oh Hold On There Skippy,

The benefits are astronomical when installed in your EXHAUST. The TORNADO creates a votecie that vastly improves exhaust gas scavenging. Also computer models show a thrust of up 13 pound might be achieved at the exhaust tip thus pushing you even faster (all while utilizing a 2.5" exhaust). In fact it simulates a 5" open race exhaust. No restriction what so ever!!!!

Mazda Motors is experimenting with a tornado-based engine for the new RX-9.
NO MOVING PARTS, just perfect combustion from vortex magic. WOW!!

Are you that big of a dumb ****???? Oh Yea, I mean your "Friend"(wink,wink) that big of a dumb ****???

This product is worthless in anything other than lining the pockets of the manufacturer with $$$$

Think about it. You install this "device" in the airbox. What do you think is going to happen? The suction is so great a giant vortex is produced?? What happens when that "vortex" travels down the intake & hits the throttle body plates? It miraculously regroups after the throttle body to continue the vortex. Hmm, then it travels to the closed intake valve. What another wall? Getting the picture now..

The theory would only have merit if it was designed in the head next to the intake valve and what real benefit then. And in the real world any restriction or "wind resistance" will decrease power.

Plus with the advent of fuel injection your fuel mixture is already fully atomized at the injector tip and we all know where they are located.

But hey, I have been hearing good things about those magnets that you put on your fuel lines. You should start a new thread about the benefits of that next.


-M-

silverTRD

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wow i never expected a thread like this on this forum...so sad

BOTTLEFED

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You're right, this is very sad.
I would never have thought our membership would need to stoop so low as to have to answer this kind of question, seriously. This site is for sports car enthusiasts, and this thread is something that I would expect from a naive, teenage girl that just got her license. I do not understand how someone owning and driving an FD3S could be so ignorant.
Excuse me while I go cry...

agustin lopez

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yes the part is creating a vortex but what does the vortex do? it moves the air in to the engine faster which is what the turbo is for. its just way better if the thing even works. wouldnt hurt to try, why dont you test it out for the rest of us.

maxcooper

Wow, some harsh posts in here. These are obviously a scam by a marketing company.

But it is conceivable to me that they might actually improve mileage or power on some cars. However, I would guess they they would be detrimental to both on most cars, and that any positive effect would be small. It would be interesting to see a real test of one of these things. The tests on the commercials are a joke (a strong negative indicator in itself). I definitely wouldn't try it on an FD.

-Max

scotty305

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DMoneyRX-7, I suggest you spend less time on ebay or cardomain, and more time on www.howstuffworks.com , www.fd3s.net , www.racingbeat.com and http://robrobinette.com


Vortices and swirling air are NOT what make power in an internal combustion engine. Air and fuel make power, when combined at the proper ratio and ignited at the right time. The best way to make more power is to add more air and more fuel, while sustaining the proper air:fuel ratio and ignition timing.


Go look up what a vortex is and what it does to airflow. Find out how much of a pressure increase can be acheived by a vortex generator of such a small size. Then remember that our intake air is already being pressurized an additional 10psi by the turbochargers, and realize that if Mazda could have gained HP and mileage by adding such a simple device to the intake piping, they would have done it already.


-s-


PS, a good auto shop or physics class in high school should have taught you this already.

Sled Driver

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Originally from this thread.....
https://www.rx7club.com/showthread.php?t=511348

VORTEX GENERATORS

From test ran by Popular Mechanics magazine, there was no evidence of any fuel savings.

THE DYNO SAYS: Both devices reduced peak horsepower by more than 10 percent. The Intake Twister increased fuel consumption by about 20 percent; the TornadoFuelSaver provided no significant change


These devices, which are usually installed on the upstream side of the mass airflow (MAF) sensor, use stationary vanes or, on some devices, spinning blades to make the inlet air between the air cleaner and intake manifold whirl around in a mini-tornado. This vortex supposedly mixes fuel more thoroughly with air, which means the fuel will, theoretically, burn more completely in the combustion chamber. Trouble is, there's a lot of intake tract downstream from these devices designed to maximize a smooth airflow. Turbulence, coupled with the restricted airflow caused by the device, can only reduce the amount of air sucked into the manifold. Less air means less power.

Again, we tested two devices. The TornadoFuelSaver is a nicely made stainless steel contraption, available in an assortment of sizes to fit most vehicles. We installed it on our truck's intake tract immediately upstream of the MAF sensor. We purchased the second device, the Intake Twister, on eBay. It was crudely handmade from sheet-aluminum flashing and pop rivets. It looked like something we could make in about 10 minutes from an old soda can. The staff at UTI was reluctant to install it: The bent sheetmetal vanes looked as if they might break off and be digested by the engine. The device is one-size-fits-all, and is simply bent into a curl to insert it into the intake duct.

SayNoToPistons

no

rynberg

Good info Sled....merging threads....

dubulup

never have I agreed so much with ANYTHING

DMoneyRX-7

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Ok, first off. Im taking physics next year. I skipped a science this year cuz i only need 3 credits of it and already have 2. Next, I do spend lots of time searching and i have the book on howstuffworks. I was just simply asking if they would work or not. Not criticism of how this forum is getting now days and what not. Yes i thought about alot of this stuff but never have heard of anyone testing one out. I am always on this forum so it seemed fit to ask about it. Please dont flame me ne more. I was just trying to get some facts and i didnt know exactly where to start. I wasnt exactly being to serious about the subject anyway. Like i was waiting for 3 months to order it or something. No! I just came across it while looking up kouki taillights and a greddy intercooler.

Cgotto6

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I personaly thought it was funny when the Noob started flippin **** to the slightly more experienced noob...

RX7Wishing

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