I agree with Joe... People are starting to realize that instead of spending 13,000 on a ricerocket.. They can buy a FD.. Which is kind of bad... But in all honesty... In every single car you can expect dumb *** drivers to ruin the car.. But your not driving it.. So just dont think about it... I hate rice boys as much as the next man..

 

The other children teased you a lot in grade school, didn't they, Jody. Get professional help.

 

Wow talk about an interesting thread we have here...

Well yes, I do agree that FD's are falling into many of the wrong hands. And you are able to find some for dirt cheap now a days. But I do not think that since there are a bunch of riced out ones out there is a good reason for not wanting one.

No, we cant stop this from happening... However there is always the good and the bad no matter what. So the true FD lovers should go out and buy the car since they love the car... We have all heard Flybye and his "What other car can..." list.

Dont let the idiots and slap on oversized shopping cart spoilers and put super ugly body kits on it stop you from getting a FD. Just use the riced out examples for a reference for what not to turn your car into.

And about the blue book value.... Blue book means jack crap out there... The true value of a car is what someone is willing to pay for it... Hell I should know, I'm probably going to end up spending a shitload when I pick up mine..

 

I'm gonna buy a Supra and rice it out just for JoeD. Like I said...the more ricers buy the car, the more they boost, the more they detonate. Just take care of your **** and watch supply go down followed by demand going up.

 

I figure that eventually the FD will be just like the FC. Everyone will forget that the car ever existed except the small cult following it has and the TRUE sports car enthusiests. I can't tell you how many ricer civic/integra kids I've confused by telling them that I'm getting an 89 RX-7 Turbo that stock-stock will blow away their Civic Si friend (whom they revere like a god). I've been told by many people "Oh, you just don't understand, civics are special, and it doesn't matter if you've got some, what do you call it? 'rotary' engine thing, with whatever turbo thing on there. He'll still beat you! Those hondas are just FAST man!" and I just shake my head and praise the lord that I'm going to be making BANK of these idiots.

"You wanna race my 4 cylinder accord? How much? hundred bucks? Sounds easy, but you gotta watch out essay, I've got my cams, cam gears and header(s) on so I'll probably smoke you, its your money so whatever holmes"

Ah, its like fish in a barrel.....with money inside em

 

I like this point alot. The sad thing is these kids..my GF's friends who she used to tutor are some of them.

YES a Civic or Integra can be made quick on the street and fast ON THE TRACK. But be realistic...you are not gonna see too many 12 second Civics hit that on the street unless they are running full slicks a messed up drag application suspensionand FG doors, hood, rear gate etc etc.

It's sad when they see people like Ed or Steph hit 9's with a civic and think they can do the same on the street....

But we all know a 12 or even 11 second FD is possible and we can do it then take a corner right after.

 

wow....good one there, bro!

 

awww. Yer just sayin' that.

 

heh, blackdragon you're a funny one. "...fish in a barrel..." lmao it's classic!!! It's true though. Ohh well, more money to invest in the 7's...

 

Who cares who buys an FD? Do you really think a rice boy knows how to take care of an FD? They will blow it up the day they get the boost control installed. Most 'Rice Boys' (I hate this term) won't even touch an RX-7 because they no nothing about them, and if they want one they really aren't ricers are they? That means they have the same taste in cars as you.What is the definition of a 'rice boy'? Somone mods a gay *** car? Or someone who mods a car poorly? I drive a Camry at the moment, have I raced it? Yes to victory indeed. Am I a rice boy worthy of an RX-7? A friend of mine has one of the cleanest Integra GSRs I have seen. Is he a ricer simply beacuse he owns a Honda?

Not buying one because they are cheap? That is load of BS to me. There still are not that many on the road. I would say only about 5000 at the most. I live in Milwaukee, WI and I have never seen an FD on the road. I have seen 1 F40 (yes the Ferrari), MKIV Supras, Stealth TT/3KGT VR-4 ( I used to have a Pearl Yellow myself) 300Zs, a BMW Z8, 911, Viper, NSX all of them except the FD. I have seen a buttload of FCs. To say that you wouldn't buy just because the price is low is just stupid. Around here if you ride in a car as rare as an FD you will automatically get props. Even ricers know a FD when they see one. Prices being low is the biggest reason why I would get one. I wanted a Skyline GTR or a Supra TT, but why when I can get the sexy FD for alot less? The reason why I wouldn't get one? The well known realiability issues with this car. I heard (mostly from Supra people) that the FD needs a rebuild every 60K. I don't think that it's true, but then again, how many FDs are running on the original motor?
Peace
Jeremy

 

nope.

usually even sooner than that. they raise the boost by opening up the exhaust and intake with no fuel mods, then...pop.

me too...but there is isnt really a better way to describe the certain type of people we are talking about.

that is not stopping them. there are even many people on this forum who dont know **** about their cars. hell...even what mods to do, and in what order.

a ricer is still a ricer, no matter what car he is driving, IMO.

no, it just means that they want ot jump onto the bandwagon, and have a car that was in an award-winning movie.

there is no true definition, but that is pretty much it. a combination of the statements above, plus the attitude of the driver. people see "ricers" differently.

are you a rice boy? depends on your car and the mods on it. is your friend a ricer simply because he owns a Honda? not at all. there are many clean and tastfully modded Hondas out there, that i respect very much.

maybe a little more than that. i dont think that more than 8000 FDs have been destroyed.

i live in Foster City, CA, and i see on average 3 FDs a day.

i have seen 2 McLeran F1s (yes the $1 million car), 3 F40s, 2 F50s, too many Lamborghini Diablos, Supras, Z8s, Vipers, 911 Turbos, NSXs, that i have lost count, 1 Lamborghini Murcielago, and one Pagani Zonda C12S.

so have I.

verey true.

becuase if you look past styling, which is completely opinion, you will see that Skylines and Supras have many, many advantages over RX-7s.

that is the reason why many people dont get it.

it is true, but there are cases where FDs have been babied and seen over 60K. but you would be hard-pressed to find an FD with over 60K on the clock and original engine and/or turbos. i know someone is gonna come in here and say "well my FD has xxx,xxx miles on its original engine, blah blah blah", but the truth is, that is not the case with most FDs.

 

Damn JoeD...talk about analyzing somebody's response. Well my take on this is well a good one. What I believe is the FD's biggest hindrance, is in this case, it's greatest strngth. Of course I am talking about maintenance on the car. Even though this car gets dirt cheap, much like how it normally would over the years when it depreciates in value, it still will retain its overall integrity of the type of car it is even though ricers get their hands on it. Since it will become so vastly affordable, this will require the ricers to either 1)learn how to maintain the car and therefore hopefully reverting them back to their former state of non-rice thinking. hopefully or 2)they detonate and that's one less FD on the road making it all the rarer. The song 'In The End' by Linkin Park comes to mind here since, in the end will be all that matters. The true enthusiasts will have the car well taken care of and well...this is the pure beauty of owning a rotary engine I think .

 

JoeD, you say that you would rather drop a massive bank roll on a stock supra, or buy an FD and mod it to make it both reliable and fast and in the end, spend less money? My friend, you are on drugs. And your point about seeing more riced out FD's? Unless you can show me some facts on this, i say bullshit. I have seen far more dirty *** lookin supras than FDs. And there are at least 2 supra tt's for every one fd where I live and chances are that it has some sparkly *** paint, imitation body kit and a stock motor. Yes, there are a few nice/fast supras here, but there are a ton of riced out ones.

 

Bam Bam- good responce

Quik- I see more riced FD in Cali then Supras AND when it comes to ultimate rice I have one name and one name only............TOM "NO GO" NGO


JoeD- Damn man why you gotta take up a whole page with your responce ahahah

 

Whatever...obviously JoeD is a bitter guy. But he's actually doing us some good. We should post JoeD's comments and thoughts of the RX-7 on the honda forums to push away all potential RX-7 buyers. Hell maybe we should pay JoeD to deliver a speech on video and mail it to all Honda drivers. I'd be happy. I don't understand this 60k and pop nonsense?? Isn't it more like 100k and pop? =)~

RotaryKnight-who is Tom Ngo?

JoeD-Keep the comments coming...you're way off, but still you are scaring off potential "ricer" buyers.

Quik-Supra isn't rice, nor is the RX-7. There is no such thing as a 13 second rice car. Rice car is anything 16 seconds and over...to understand true Honda racing, you have to understand that Honda drivers shoot for 15 sec and maybe 14 sec quarter mile times...they don't buy a honda trying to run 13's and lower with it. To understand a Honda driver you have to understand what class they're in...to a Honda driver breaking into 14's is a Godly feat...15's is impressive...16 and arrogant is rice. 13 second cars are not rice...how can it be?

 

see, thats the thing. i dont want to do mods that would try and make a car more "reliable". you could do all the reliability mods you want, but you will never have a high horsepower and "reliable" FD. a recent example would be Ihor. he had a KDR streetport with all the goodies, and reliability mods up the ***. he ended up blowing his engine. look at Ernie. he has been through many engines on his single turbo FD, and has all of the "reliability" mods. there are hundreds of examples. the the fact is, there are FAR more FDs on their second, third, fourth engines, than there are Supras on their second set of turbos. the MAJORITY of FDs have had their engines replaced, "reliability" mods or not. i dont want to deal with that. i want a high powered car that i can drive most of the time, instead of having it spend time in the shop.

look at the high HP Supras vs. the high HP FDs. take Steve Kan, ErnieT, and Ari Yallon for example. how many engines have they been through?? now look at Saad Saad, Mark Tozer, Peter Walsh, Bryce Danna...etc.

yeah...and so are the 6000+ MKIV TT Supra owners for not going the FD route instead.

how do you want me to get facts on this??

Unless you can show me some facts on this, i say bullshit.

 

oh yeah...so bitter. please tell me how i am being "bitter". realistic, yes...but not bitter.

he owns a riced-out single turbo FD.

 

Maybe its different in cali, but theres alot of people in their late/20's early 30's that saw the Slow and the Curious and decided that they will get more chicks with a sparkly paint job in "that car from the movie" just to pick up women. There are hardly any riced out FD's in florida, most are either extremely stock or sitting out front of a used car dealer/chop shop.

JoeD- who **** in your lunchbox as a child??

 

93TTRX7-- Actually you can RICE out anything. Tom is the silver FD with the Mugen badge on his strut tower bar and AIR BAGS suspension.

Also fast Hondas are possible. We have two members on my Team that hit mid 11's with their daily driven hondas/acuras and these times were clocked at IDRC and NIRA events. These cars are put together better than most of the FDs I've seen. At least these cars have been on a dyno and track run. Both of them run Top Fuel Japan turbo kits.

Also most Acuras and Hondas are under 16's stock now days.

RICE is a mentality and has nothing to do with the car. So you don't think air bags or hydraulics on a FD or Supra is not rice?

Being in SoCali you should know of fast hondas unless you are under a rock. Especially in Glendale you should at least been to Sylmar or Glendale races. Have you been to any of the race events and watched the street class?

 

oohh...good one there man. thats almost as good as "The other children teased you a lot in grade school, didn't they, Jody. Get professional help."

nah...no one is as good as jimlab in the flames department. Jim, care to chime in here??

Johnny, please dont lock this as long as there are no flames.

 

Glenoaks a lot... I have.. But the street races get old for me.. Too many ricers..

 

Boy, this thread went down hill real quick

Anyway, I did not notice any major change in FD prices after FnF. Maybe short term, but now they are back to normal.

I don't see anything wrong with the prices of FD, they seem to be on target IMO.

The Supra sold for a good $10,000+ more then FDs when new, and they are more recent in some situations so I expect them to sell for more money now.

Anyway, I had the option to put aftermarket parts on my car, like bumper, rear spoiler, etc when I had it repainted, but opten to buy stock parts instead even though my stock bumper was more hen some aftermarket ones. Anyway, my point is, that a classic FD is still going to be a great car no matter what, so who cares what the ricers do?

IMO an FD in its stock skin is so much more classy and impressive then one with aftermarket parts, and this point is just going to become bigger in the future. Most of the aftermarket parts have trendy designs that will go out and they will look like crap in a few years, but my stock looking CYM will still be sweet IMO.

Also, I think that there are more FDs on the roads then you guys think too. I would not doubt if 10,000 or at least 7,000 where still driving. That still is not alot of cars though.

Trying to collect his car or any car is a bad idea IMO, cause in another 15 years, when it will be an antique car, gas prices and emission laws are probably going to be such that no gas powered cars are going to retain much value except for very rare show pieces. Just my opinion.

Anyway, price does not look to be effected by the movie IMO, and the price seems to be on target now IMO. It does seem stupid, if not dangerious, for teenagers to have this car though.

 

Well i really dont think that it affected the price all that much simply because the movie came, then life went on.

JoeD, i just dont understand why someone would go and post 5000 times on an RX-7 forum to come to the conclusion that they are going to get a supra.

Like it or not, the 3000gt VR4 sold more than the Supra or the FD in america. Supras are nice cars, My dad could have gotten one in 96 as part of a sponsorship deal, but didnt because A) he needed a backseat for me and my brother and B) he wanted a targa top, but heard nothing but problems in the targas. Like the dashboard shifting, decreased handling, and lack of rigidity. From what ive heard, people on the Supra forums with targas would sell their souls for a hardtop. to each his own i suppose...

 

my 4600 or so posts have been accumulated very shortly since this forum was launched. in that time, i was researching and gathering as much info i could about the car. about eight months ago, i felt that i knew enough about the car and i was ready for it. the more and more FDs i saw, the less i became interested in them. all of the ones i saw were generally in **** condition, and as time passes on a 7-9 year old car, the condition is not going to get any better. the fact that almost all of them for sale are in shitty condition was the biggest turn off for me, and i felt it was time to move on to a car that was of a bit higher quality. some other minor turn-offs that lead me away from the car was the disgusting exhaust note, the fact that you must upgrade some parts for the car to be "reliable", the shitty exhaust note, its 120+ MPH acceleration, its weak rear end, fuel system, cooling system, and engine, and the very minor turn-off that more and ricers are buying them (i stress, minor turn-off, so dont dwell on that).

i thought about what i really wanted in a car. i wanted a car that was reliable and did not have to spend time with a mechanic getting **** fixed, a car that could be insanely fast, a car that could be insanely powerful (900+ RWHP), and a car that had a very sweet exhaust note. i do not need a good autocrossing car, and i dont mind not having the tightest steering feel.

so far, the Supras that i have looked at have generally been in awesome condition compared to the FDs.

 

I am looking to get a RX7, but the thought of it almost hitting the 10year mark kinda makes me shy away from it. I mean, I might be getting a 93, and yeah 93, first year it came out, 3rd gen, hot looking car, but reality hits, and damn, its like 10 years old. I don't know. I'm afraid of getting a car and then losing the lust and wanting to get rid of it soon after purchasing.