Chronos

I have just come to the conclussion that instead of modifying my 39k mile mint condition FD, it would be a much better idea to just buy a good 3rd gen body (auction? insurance?) with a blown engine and put a pineapple PPed engine in it with ceramic seals and start from there, keeping my other FD as a street/twisties/cruiser machine...

Anyone know how much a good base blown engine FD might cost? or where I might start looking? I plan to spend about 30k on this project(or more if I need to) and use all top of the line race parts(non-streetable), I'll prbly go with a GT35/40 and all the nessassary power add on's to get 500-600rwhp with the PPed engine reving around 9-10krpm.

For the body I plan to hollow the whole thing out ofcourse and try and get the weight down as low as I can (maybe some C/F here and there). For the aero I think I'm gonna eventually go with Chuck (rotaryextreme)'s new RE Amemiya widebody kit so I can put on some HUGE tires. I don't plan to finish this project any time soon, maybe in a year or so, start with the base car, engine, and ECU to control the PP, then build it as time goes on...What do you guys think???

SleepR1

Wow, cool...say can I be your race driver (hee hee)

suganuma

i have seen almost perfect body and interior 3rd gen with blown motor go for under $10k so one with not so good interior or body since you dont really need that....maybe around $5k??

sounds like a cool project - wish i had the $$ to attempt something similar. I havent personally heard of many people running a turbo on a peripheral port - you have any info on that??

and why the GT3540 when you will be pushing enough exhaust with that port at high rpm for a larger turbo...??

eurautodave

that sounds great. in my experience, the biggest mistake everyone makes is trying to do too many things with one car. once you decide to make a dedicated track car everything gets much easier/better. there is local here in cincy with a vette, viper and track rx7. guess which one is fastest? gut a beat up 3rd gen. get a serious cage welded in. hang a custom set of coil-overs from ground control and the rest doesn't matter. even a stock driveline would be enough for a seriously fast ride. my 02. oh yeh, i have an it-b prepared rabbit gti that goes like stink for 90hp.

Nathan Kwok

Do you really think you need a PP? I would just get a big streetport and then bolt on a large single. Running race gas you should still be able to get to 500HP. After stripping the car down to 2500 lbs, do you really need more? Pineapple also does bridge and monster bridgeports, but if you look at the RX-7s running One Lap, power isn't much of an issue, more like cooling and braking, so I would worry about that stuff first.

LAracer

I've seen dedicated racecars in the for-sale section here. They were all alot less than $30k. You might want to check into something like that and save some $. Unless you just really enjoy doing all the work...

yzf-r1

iTrader: (1)

yeah there are some very sweet single FDs that go for 25k on this board, real nice yellow one all race prepped a month ago.....

but project cars are a fun (and time consuming) hobby

SleepR1

Brad Barber's Yellow R1 track car was for sale in The Parts Trader...he was asking $27 or $28 LARGE (firm)...?

SleepR1

euro,

Yes, I really would like to see Jaymz bring that nasty FD to our March 22, 2003 Putnam Park event!!!

Cetchup

Ok wait a second here. First of all you have a blown engine in your MINT 39k mile FD. You don't even have enough money to fix that one. How in the hell are you going to get ANOTHER FD shell and then ANOTHER engine and go single and widebody all in one year? WTF? Did I miss something?

yzf-r1

iTrader: (1)

he has 30k burning a hole in his pocket

it's a tough economy for some people, ha

ijneb

Yea, you missed the fact that theres nothing wrong with his current FD... or i missed where he said that engine is blown...

Sounds like he just wants to buy a shell and a motor and make it haul major ***..

Cetchup

He has a blown engine in his 39k mile FD currently. He is saving up cash to get a new engine for it right now. Which from what he told me wont be anytime soon.

Then he wants to buy another FD shell, garret GT35/40 single, fuel mods, pineapple racing PP engine and RE widebody. I dont see that one happening anytime even close to 1 year. Maybe 10 years?

Chronos

heheeheh

Chronos

actually, the reason I'm asking is because I might get a job that pays 4800/month and I have no payments to make, so i could pretty much spend it all on my project...nothing is for sure yet ofcourse, but it doesn't hurt to explore possibilities so I do things right the first time around!

Cetchup

sounds good man! Hope you get the job, that would be cool.

Chronos

great advice people...the whole idea behind this comes from the fact that no matter how hard we try, there is ALWAYS compromises that have to be made when making your street car a track car. So I figured instead of throwing away perfectly good parts on my good FD, why not start with a POS since I'll be replacing most everything anyways, and saving the drivability of my street car.

regarding the PP, the scoot 710ps car was a PP with a T51R KAI, so I figured it's possible. However I'm going for quick responce, that's why I'm looking at the GT35/40, do you guys think bridgeport might be a better set up for 550-600hp? Can you think of a better turbo that has quick responce and big enough to hit those numbers? The other reason I'd like to go monster bridgeport or PP is to get the revs up real high...I hear the Ianetti ceramic seals are really designed to give gains at 6-10krpm's. It would also be more versatile on different tracks and autoX w/o changing the gear ratios around so much....This is fun

SleepR1

No insult intended here $58,000 annual is not "that" great on the west coast, especially in San Diego It's a decent salary in the midwest though, where cost of living is less than left or right coast

As I mentioned, Chronos, when you need someone to test that beast, PM me

Cetchup

Chronos is 19...hehe

Chronos

yeah I have no payments or financial responsibility Just taking a year off of school...

maxcooper

I think it sounds like a good idea to spare your pristine FD for the street, and pick up a rough one to build for the track. But I am concerned that you would end up as a stain on the track if you go out and learn to drive in a 500 RWHP FD. Perhaps it would be better to start with a modest engine and build up the chassis as you get some seat time, and then decide how far you want to go with the engine. As others have said, a stripped FD with a good suspension and something around 250-300 RWHP will be a seriously fast track car.

I am quite sure I would be a better driver if I had invested more in seat time and less in HP. But I like the wrenching, so I find myself with more HP than driving skill.

You do see a lot of strange things on the track -- ITRs passing Vipers, etc.

-Max

Chronos

Thx for the advice Max that seems to be the consensus in the racing section, heh

I had planned to start with just the base car, race prepped motor, ECU (to control it), V-mount intercooler, and the stock turbos (if they still worked) for power mods...also racing seat, racing wheel, Ti rollbar (I could make one myself), gutted interior, and slicks...Leaving the Huge turbo and Widebody kit at the end of the list. When I feel I'm reaching the car's limits - more upgrades

SleepR1

I read some place that Cam Worth's Pettit race car makes 325 rear-wheel-hp. Factor 15% for driveline loss and that's 382 flywheel hp. They say Cam's car weighs 2500 lbs, so that 6.5 lbs/hp...very serious weight to hp ratio, and I'm sure Cam's no slouch as a driver

Domestic513

I got my FD wrecked. The interior is perfect, the body was perfect except for the smashed front end. I got it for 4500 bucks. You can find them really really cheap just gotta look.

MrZUMZUM

Dang right you see strange things on the track..........there's a guy at Sebring in a race Integra that turns 2:38's, whereas the Formula Mazda's are only slightly faster at around 2:30 or so. I can blow his doors off in the straights, and he can kill me in all the corners..............I'm only a novice, but I'm by no means the slowest out there, and I'm turning mid 2:50's.........go with the driving skill, because HP on a road track ain't all that..............there are also race miata's that blow me away as well................

David