The day has come....
This car was not running the factory computer. I have opened a couple hundred motors to know what causes cracked seals. I dont call a reman with 45k miles on it that old and the apex seals wouldnt be that worn to crack on their own. He was only running 12 lbs of boost.
As I recall this guy was only running a power fc for a few months and had the car tuned 2 months ago, so its not like he has been pushing it very long.
I want to add that it could be a few things that are wrong with his motor. I have not opened it so Im just going off what he said.
As I recall this guy was only running a power fc for a few months and had the car tuned 2 months ago, so its not like he has been pushing it very long.
I want to add that it could be a few things that are wrong with his motor. I have not opened it so Im just going off what he said.
Honestly, if I had to guess it wasn't the tune or lack of lubrication. My money says it the combination of the cold weather we had last week here in ohio and the shitty stock intake and the shitty correction factor the PFC has. The car was tuned in warm weather, the powerFC in my eyes does not handle correction factors very well. I mean there was a 40 degees drop between the day the car was tuned and last week. The stock manifold, may have not been the culprit, but it certainly wasn't helping it. Why do you think it is alway the rear housing that lets go?
Jackson
Jackson
If the Power FC is setup correctly then it will compensate for temp changes. The stock intake would have nothing to do with it.
Im not arguing the fact that modified FD's will get less miles than a stock one. Im saying that one with 45k miles and 12 lbs of boost isnt going to blow because of old age.
....i Agree for the most part...even though every motor is different...
....but i feel the real culprit in an Apex seal failure is typically passover....
-Jack
Thing is an apex seal is probably made in some factory in China or Mexico, maybe the japanese actually keep there jobs in country and have them made in Japan. I think that a microscopic stress point results from an imperfection since day 1 that gets worse as time passes. The only way to check somthing like that would be to magnaflux the apex seals. They used to magnaflux crank's in the 60's and 70's to check for microscopic cracks in the metal. This process would be more expensive than just going with ceramic apex seals.
When a full factory FD Rx-7 with 255 hp and 85,000 miles blows up, is that a factory lack of fuel as well? My point being that on its best day a factory FD with only 210rwhp will last 85-90k. If you increase the HP past this point, the life of the engine will decrease. Its a nature of all things, more power- less life. This engine laid down much more power than stock, and lived 45,000 miles, on a Re-man which I think most know are not the best built in the first place. I say the engine did its job, and did it well, even with lack of lube (which from what I have seen, compresses the apex seal springs, and fatigues the apex seal itself.)
98k and 340rwhp on stock twins.. and the motor still had perfect compression.
I don't understand why you guys are so "ok" with blowing motors every 45k miles while making such little power. Get your setup dialed in and this stuff doesnt happen.
Sorry to hear about the car Jake. It is a blessing though. I'm glad I learned what I did about mine when I went through my build. Though I'm still sorting out some electronic issues, you will like knowing it's the way you want it.
I personally think the car just wanted the down time so you would change the kit out. lol. Good luck with everything.
I personally think the car just wanted the down time so you would change the kit out. lol. Good luck with everything.
He has been running alot more than 12lbs, used to be 15lbs dropping to 12lbs for 4 months, then after a EBC install 17psi for about a month. Combine with OMP lines not working for a good amount of time, and alot of hard use at the track, I dont see how its too far off. And besides the fact, this engine has not been torn down yet! It could easily be some piece of metal from a blown turbo compressor got into the engine. This would explain why the week before it cracked, it only could get 12lbs of boost even in cold weather, and the large cloud of smoke when he took off. Last time I checked cracked apex seals dont release a 1/2 quart of oil into the combustion chamber.
He has been running alot more than 12lbs, used to be 15lbs dropping to 12lbs for 4 months, then after a EBC install 17psi for about a month. Combine with OMP lines not working for a good amount of time, and alot of hard use at the track, I dont see how its too far off. And besides the fact, this engine has not been torn down yet! It could easily be some piece of metal from a blown turbo compressor got into the engine. This would explain why the week before it cracked, it only could get 12lbs of boost even in cold weather, and the large cloud of smoke when he took off. Last time I checked cracked apex seals dont release a 1/2 quart of oil into the combustion chamber.
hey rich, no i didnt put the engine back into the car. I bought the car with the new engine in it and already broken in. so 1000 miles on it and a few headaches. but once i got the boost problems sorted out than it was good. Than i went to Non-seq
Close. It was 13psi dropping to 10 psi. and than it seemed i could never get it to boost that 14 psi more than once after the tune, it would only do 12 for some reason. So i dont know what was going on. We will have to see after the engine is torn down. So if someone wants to donate some money for a rebuild it would be appreciated lol.
I can't imagine why you guys would rather just decide that rotory engines can't possibly last very long and randomly blow up for no reason so everyone should just accept it, instead of trying to help him prevent future problems with his next engine... If you think rotary's don't last very long thats fine I don't care, but why not at least try to help him make his next one last a bit longer.
Personally if my engine blew up I'd want people to help me prevent it from happening again...
Personally if my engine blew up I'd want people to help me prevent it from happening again...
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Your car is retailiating for the horrendous front nose you put on it. 
Sorry, I couldn't resist. Good luck with the new engine, be sure to go with 3mm's for a bit of added resistance to breakage.
To the above poster, rotaries CAN last a long time, but the MAJORITY of them do not. If you're making more than stock power, the setup literally has to be perfect, everything must be gone through from the ground up, and the owner has to be pretty meticulous as far as replacing old/worn parts on the car to keep it in tip top condition.

Sorry, I couldn't resist. Good luck with the new engine, be sure to go with 3mm's for a bit of added resistance to breakage.
To the above poster, rotaries CAN last a long time, but the MAJORITY of them do not. If you're making more than stock power, the setup literally has to be perfect, everything must be gone through from the ground up, and the owner has to be pretty meticulous as far as replacing old/worn parts on the car to keep it in tip top condition.
Close. It was 13psi dropping to 10 psi. and than it seemed i could never get it to boost that 14 psi more than once after the tune, it would only do 12 for some reason. So i dont know what was going on. We will have to see after the engine is torn down. So if someone wants to donate some money for a rebuild it would be appreciated lol.
I can't imagine why you guys would rather just decide that rotory engines can't possibly last very long and randomly blow up for no reason so everyone should just accept it, instead of trying to help him prevent future problems with his next engine... If you think rotary's don't last very long thats fine I don't care, but why not at least try to help him make his next one last a bit longer.
Personally if my engine blew up I'd want people to help me prevent it from happening again...
Personally if my engine blew up I'd want people to help me prevent it from happening again...
Jake if you have any electric issues, just fix them now while the motor is out. I didn't know what to look for and now I'm searching with an engine in the way. Good luck.
And Jake, if you need help ripping that front end off, we can hook it up to my Suby. lol just kidding.
Seems like the reason behind this was poor tuning
https://www.rx7club.com/power-fc-forum-47/am-i-doing-right-map-question-692008/
https://www.rx7club.com/power-fc-forum-47/anyone-able-tell-why-my-seal-cracked-696407/
https://www.rx7club.com/power-fc-forum-47/am-i-doing-right-map-question-692008/
https://www.rx7club.com/power-fc-forum-47/anyone-able-tell-why-my-seal-cracked-696407/
Gracer7 just so you know the whole am i doing this right, was me just editing my map but never loaded it onto my car.
Logan ya that sounds good. If it rains tomorrow than i will not have to work so i can stop by than if you guys arent busy. Thanks Jake
Logan ya that sounds good. If it rains tomorrow than i will not have to work so i can stop by than if you guys arent busy. Thanks Jake
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