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Old Nov 3, 2004 | 08:36 PM
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Cosmo TB on FD UIM question

I searched couldn't find what I needed. Can anyone tell me if the Cosmo TB will fit on the FD UIM properly? Will the stock FD TB elbow fit on the Cosmo TB? Basically I'm wondering if anyone knows if there are any differences between the two TB's or if it'll all bolt up no problem. Does anyone know if the TPS's are any different? Has anyone wired in a Cosmo TPS for their FD? Any major differences I should know about?
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Old Nov 3, 2004 | 11:40 PM
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if i remember correctly, the cosmo TB is smaller.... wayyyyyy smaller
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Old Nov 3, 2004 | 11:48 PM
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Really? Even though the ports on the cosmo UIM are bigger?
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Old Nov 4, 2004 | 04:15 PM
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Originally Posted by jspecracer7
The 2 hardest things to do are: Throttle cable and TPS. Everything else is pretty much cake.

You'll need these parts:

1. Cosmo 13B LIM
2. Cosmo 13B UIM
3. Cosmo 20B throttle body
4. Cosmo 13B aluminum elbow
5. Cosmo 13B LIM/Engine gasket
6. Cosmo 13B LIM/UIM gasket
7. Cosmo 13B UIM/throttle body gasket

You'll need to port match your 13B-rew engine to the cosmo 13b intake runner size since they're quite different....that is unless you want to makes LESS HP

Reasons for the 20B throttle body?

1. 13B-rew throttle body bolts up to the cosmo intake...but isn't shaped the same. The cosmo has a small lip on the bottom(appx. 2 to 3mm) that will allow air to bypass the throttle body and allows air to seep thru.

2. Cosmo 20B is 2mm bigger than stock FD.

3. Cosmo 13B UIM does not have a idle control valve built in like the 13B-rew UIM. The 20B throttle body has one.

4. Cosmo 20B is about 1 to 2 cm longer than the stock FD throttle body. Since the cosmo 13B UIM is shorter than the FD UIM, the 20B throttle body being longer allows the throttle body elbow to clear the oil filler neck.

Basically in a nutshell, you'll need to figure out your fuel needs and how to run your throttle body cable.

You'll need to redo intercooler piping since when I did mine....absolutely NOTHING matched up.

You'll need to swap pins 2 and 4 on the stock FD TPS plug. The FD is a 0 volts to 5 volts TPS. The Cosmo 20B is a 5 volts to 0 volts. Swap pins 2 and 4 and you now have a cosmo 20B with a 0 to 5 volts TPS.

I tried to mix and match FD and cosmo parts...and nothing worked out right. If you do this...just use the Cosmo stuff. Trying to make an FD throttle body work on a cosmo 13B UIM was a PITA for me. I didn't have the time or the resources to make an adapter like Michel did. My conversion was the "poor man's" conversion. In hindsight....knowing what I know now...I could probably do the conversion in about the same time it takes to remove the stock FD intake manifolds.

Also, Please don't PM me guys. Post your questions on this thread so I can answer them all at once and not individually.
here ya go
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Old Nov 4, 2004 | 06:59 PM
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Originally Posted by dDuB
Really? Even though the ports on the cosmo UIM are bigger?
yes! the 13b cosmo TB is insanely tiny... like i was shocked when i saw one next to a FD TB. as far as the 20b TB thats a different story. i cant say how the 20b compares to the FD TB ( i have both.... but havent pulled the elbow off of my 20b to take a look yet) ive heard conflicting things about the 20b vs FD TB.... whichever one ends up being larger will be the one im using on my 20b car. -heath
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Old Nov 4, 2004 | 07:05 PM
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I think I have my answers now, I guess I'll just stick with an FD TB and TPS, thanks.
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Old Nov 7, 2004 | 04:47 PM
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you guys dont really have much of a clue. the throttle body fits on the fd uim perfectly and as for a size difference its a millimeter or two max!!
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Old Nov 7, 2004 | 06:46 PM
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Originally Posted by RacerX_IU
you guys dont really have much of a clue. the throttle body fits on the fd uim perfectly and as for a size difference its a millimeter or two max!!
you mean smaller right?
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Old Nov 7, 2004 | 07:51 PM
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yeah the size difference is smaller by like 3-5 sheets of paper
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Old Nov 8, 2004 | 03:17 AM
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Originally Posted by RacerX_IU
yeah the size difference is smaller by like 3-5 sheets of paper
id have to disagree. ill have to ask godzilla-t76 to chime in
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Old Nov 8, 2004 | 05:08 AM
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Originally Posted by RacerX_IU
you guys dont really have much of a clue. the throttle body fits on the fd uim perfectly and as for a size difference its a millimeter or two max!!

Just because it fits on the FD UIM does NOT mean it will work by just bolting it on. The Cosmo TB extends down on the bottom and if mated to an FD UIM will cause a huge vacuum leak. I have an FD UIM/LIM/TB/Elbow AND a Cosmo UIM/LIM/TB/Elbow sitting on my workbench about 2 feet from this computer.

TRUST ME, the 20B TB is significantly smaller.
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Old Nov 8, 2004 | 05:10 AM
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Originally Posted by ORX705
here ya go
Everything is correct except for my measurements of the FD and Cosmo 20B TB. The double throttle butterflies is what I measured (brain farted) that day. The actual TB plates are smaller than stock FD.
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Old Nov 8, 2004 | 08:38 AM
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i have been referring to the 13b cosmo TB, so maybe that makes a difference. And yes there bottom doesnt line up all the way and thats what gasket sealer is for...lol That is what ppl are using with the FD tb on the cosmo uim.
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Old Nov 8, 2004 | 03:40 PM
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Originally Posted by RacerX_IU
i have been referring to the 13b cosmo TB, so maybe that makes a difference. And yes there bottom doesnt line up all the way and thats what gasket sealer is for...lol That is what ppl are using with the FD tb on the cosmo uim.
yeah.... i dont know if the 20b cosmo is the same as the 13b cosmo TB.... either way the 13b cosmo is very very tiny... the 20b may be enlarged, but its still smaller than the FD (if it is even different from the 13b cosmo)
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Old Nov 8, 2004 | 06:31 PM
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one picture to back up what im saying:
Attached Thumbnails Cosmo TB on FD UIM question-cosmo-13b-tb.jpg  

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Old Nov 8, 2004 | 07:49 PM
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The Cosmo 13B and the Cosmo 20B Gasket from UIM to TB are IDENTICAL. That should tell you how small the TB is.
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Old Nov 8, 2004 | 08:02 PM
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and that gasket is not even more then 3-5 sheets of paper less thick around the holes!
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Old Nov 11, 2004 | 08:40 AM
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UPDATE UPDATE UPDATE UPDATE

I took my 20B TB and a spare FD TB I had lying around(yes I have random FD **** laying in every crack of my house) and removed the Throttle body throttle plates.

The SECONDARY plates are IDENTICAL in size. I even swapped them from FD to Cosmo and back.

The PRIMARIES are IDENTICAL in size. I even swapped these around just to see if they would work.

The cosmo TB plates LOOK smaller but are actually the SAME size as FD.

Now anybody in the states with a FD TB and a cosmo 20B TB want to remove the plates and tell me I'm wrong?
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Old Nov 11, 2004 | 03:07 PM
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Originally Posted by jspecracer7
UPDATE UPDATE UPDATE UPDATE

I took my 20B TB and a spare FD TB I had lying around(yes I have random FD **** laying in every crack of my house) and removed the Throttle body throttle plates.

The SECONDARY plates are IDENTICAL in size. I even swapped them from FD to Cosmo and back.

The PRIMARIES are IDENTICAL in size. I even swapped these around just to see if they would work.

The cosmo TB plates LOOK smaller but are actually the SAME size as FD.

Now anybody in the states with a FD TB and a cosmo 20B TB want to remove the plates and tell me I'm wrong?
hmmmmm verrry interesting to hear that.... verrrry interesting. ok i know that the 13b como is small compared to the FD, but i wasnt sure about the 20b. the reason why im so interested in this is because im doing a 20b conversion..... and a popular thing to do (for other 20b'ers) was to swap the 20b TB for the FD one. everyone claimed they were bigger... i havent bothered to check as i have a spare FD one to swap in when it came time to drop it in the car. anyway, when i go home on friday ill crack into the 20b and take a look..... i believe you, just wanted to take a look because im now trying to understand why this is such a popular mod. i know there are a few differences between the TB's like placement of various things, but if they are the same size i cant understand why people change over
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Old Nov 11, 2004 | 10:53 PM
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yep, big surprise for me too. But go ahead and confirm my findings
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Old Nov 11, 2004 | 11:07 PM
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Originally Posted by jspecracer7
yep, big surprise for me too. But go ahead and confirm my findings


thank you!!!!!!!!!!
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