Calling all daily drivers...
Originally Posted by rynberg
Like I said, better you understand now.
The FD is a hard-core sports car for the true enthusiast. It was never meant to be owned by high school or college kids or the casual owner. Part of what gives the FD a bad reliability rep is that these cars are being bought with 60k+ miles on them and are over 10 years old. Well guess what? A lot of **** will need to be replaced - bushings, alternators, wiring, radiators, turbos, etc.
It's true that you aren't typically replacing the motor on a Vette at <100k miles. But then a Vette doesn't feel like an FD either. None of the other cars on your list do either. The FD is a hard-core sports cars, one of the last great ones -- without a lot of excess fat or electronic nannies. It is most certainly not for everyone.
The FD is a hard-core sports car for the true enthusiast. It was never meant to be owned by high school or college kids or the casual owner. Part of what gives the FD a bad reliability rep is that these cars are being bought with 60k+ miles on them and are over 10 years old. Well guess what? A lot of **** will need to be replaced - bushings, alternators, wiring, radiators, turbos, etc.
It's true that you aren't typically replacing the motor on a Vette at <100k miles. But then a Vette doesn't feel like an FD either. None of the other cars on your list do either. The FD is a hard-core sports cars, one of the last great ones -- without a lot of excess fat or electronic nannies. It is most certainly not for everyone.
I don't daily drive mine only because I feel it should only be driven when it can be DRIVEN, which is not the case where I work, or in the rain, traffic, or snow.
Originally Posted by PhoenixDownVII
Meh, I love my car like the rest, but to call it more "Hard-core" than other sports cars is a poor excuse for being finicky. It doesn't drive like a z06 Vette, no, because a Vette has this thing called "Torque". It's a different powerband, but both are very usable on the track and autoX. These other "less hard-core" sports cars offer very similiar cornering speeds, acceleration times, 1/4 ET's, etc.
Both the Viper and the Elise are even harder-core sports cars than the FD...and neither of them are for everyone either.
Originally Posted by rynberg
It has nothing to do with being finicky. Most modern "sports cars" are more GTs than sports cars....the FD is not. The Corvette is a great sports car, but it does not have the go-kart feel of the FD, no matter what's its objective handling numbers are. All of the other cars listed above aren't even close.
Both the Viper and the Elise are even harder-core sports cars than the FD...and neither of them are for everyone either.
Both the Viper and the Elise are even harder-core sports cars than the FD...and neither of them are for everyone either.
I don't mean to put the car down, hell, I own one over other cars I'm arguing "for", but to say it is more hard-core is just a sorry excuse for the matter that it needs much more attention and replaced parts than other cars "similiar" to it. And even those it surpasses in certain numbers are not always by that much, you can't argue that.
And as far as Go-Kart feel, I only associate that with even lighter/smaller cars like a MKI Mr2 and a Miata...but I guess you could argue that too..*shrug*
Last edited by PhoenixDownVII; Jul 5, 2005 at 11:49 AM.
I gotta go with Rynberg on this one. Most "Sport Cars" today are only sport in a touring car sense. There are very few that feel like a race car off the show room floor. And don't mistake being fast as the same as being a sports car.
Thought I'd share my experience here. I almost gave up on my FD and move on with another car because all the headache it's giving me. But then again I bought a what? 13 years old car or so. There will be lots of worn parts need to be replaced. If not, they'd just create the tihng called 'problems on the FD'. I have yet to daily drive my FD because there are parts that need to be replaced and to avoid further damage to the FD's internal. So I'm grounding the car at the moment.
But what I can tell you is a couple months back, it has been a good car to take me to work as well as a fun car driving back from work.
I'd lost confident on the FD only IF once I have replaced all the worn parts along with reliability mods done properly but still undriveable. Only then I'll call it a '****' car.
But what I can tell you is a couple months back, it has been a good car to take me to work as well as a fun car driving back from work.
I'd lost confident on the FD only IF once I have replaced all the worn parts along with reliability mods done properly but still undriveable. Only then I'll call it a '****' car.
Originally Posted by rynberg
An FD makes a poor daily driver, I should know, my car's been my DD for over 3-1/2 years.....and my car has been down for almost 3 months now in a rebuild process. Now imagine you having to rebuild the motor AND deal with transportation issues.
I've put 30k miles on my 94 FD the past 2 1/2 years. Besides me replacing the clutch and routine maintenance my car has been the most reliable dailey driver I've had. I have 95k on the original engine and stock everything else even the vacuum lines are original (except pre-cat & new ast). Even with it's high mileage, I wouldn't hesitate to drive it comfortably cross country. Oh yea I still get 17 mpg city and 26 hwy.
Originally Posted by t-von
I've put 30k miles on my 94 FD the past 2 1/2 years. Besides me replacing the clutch and routine maintenance my car has been the most reliable dailey driver I've had. I have 95k on the original engine and stock everything else even the vacuum lines are original (except pre-cat & new ast). Even with it's high mileage, I wouldn't hesitate to drive it comfortably cross country. Oh yea I still get 17 mpg city and 26 hwy. 

Speaking of Gas mileage, I suppose everyone who owns an FD now is used to a Honda/Acura economy DD? I mean, if you compare the FD to a jeep, truck, SUV as far as a Daily Driver go's (Ignoring the impracticality of RWD for snow and space)...it's the same if not better.
Half of the people at the office drive SUV's that net 15mpg tops, perhaps the 87 octane evens things out a bit but driving a 18-22mpg car everyday isn't unheard of...certainly could be better too, though :P
Originally Posted by rynberg
Like I said, better you understand now.
The FD is a hard-core sports car for the true enthusiast. It was never meant to be owned by high school or college kids or the casual owner. Part of what gives the FD a bad reliability rep is that these cars are being bought with 60k+ miles on them and are over 10 years old. Well guess what? A lot of **** will need to be replaced - bushings, alternators, wiring, radiators, turbos, etc.
It's true that you aren't typically replacing the motor on a Vette at <100k miles. But then a Vette doesn't feel like an FD either. None of the other cars on your list do either. The FD is a hard-core sports cars, one of the last great ones -- without a lot of excess fat or electronic nannies. It is most certainly not for everyone.
The FD is a hard-core sports car for the true enthusiast. It was never meant to be owned by high school or college kids or the casual owner. Part of what gives the FD a bad reliability rep is that these cars are being bought with 60k+ miles on them and are over 10 years old. Well guess what? A lot of **** will need to be replaced - bushings, alternators, wiring, radiators, turbos, etc.
It's true that you aren't typically replacing the motor on a Vette at <100k miles. But then a Vette doesn't feel like an FD either. None of the other cars on your list do either. The FD is a hard-core sports cars, one of the last great ones -- without a lot of excess fat or electronic nannies. It is most certainly not for everyone.
Originally Posted by PhoenixDownVII
....I mean, if you compare the FD to a jeep, truck, SUV as far as a Daily Driver go's... Half of the people at the office drive SUV's that net 15mpg tops,
Whats wrong with a college student owning a 3rd gen? Half of the members on this site are young.
I daily drived my FD almost with the mods now for 2 years. No problems ever, just made sure on the weekends I took it out and played a lot....hehe
Its not a daily anymore, no A/C and because of the humidity and the rain ==== Death...
Its not a daily anymore, no A/C and because of the humidity and the rain ==== Death...
Originally Posted by rynberg
Don't even get me started on SUV drivers. Anyone choosing to drive a full-size SUV everyday to work with only themselves in the car strikes me as an idiot. SUVs actually used as utility vehicles or for always hauling around 5-6 kids are a rare breed. Most are owned by suburbanites almost always driving by themselves who would be horrified if a speck of mud landed on their gargantuan beast.
I'd say the Rx7/Sports car as a daily is just as impractical, purely due to gas mileage, and the RWD doesn't help in the snow (SUV's can do that easier).
But if you can get over the gas mileage and the idea that some days/trips you're not even utilizing it as a sports car (And IMO, wasting mileage)...it's fine I suppose :P
Originally Posted by PhoenixDownVII
I'd say the Rx7/Sports car as a daily is just as impractical, purely due to gas mileage, and the RWD doesn't help in the snow (SUV's can do that easier).
Originally Posted by PhoenixDownVII
i'd say the Rx7/Sports car as a daily is just as impractical, purely due to gas mileage, and the RWD doesn't help in the snow (SUV's can do that easier).
But if you can get over the gas mileage and the idea that some days/trips you're not even utilizing it as a sports car (And IMO, wasting mileage)...it's fine I suppose :P
But if you can get over the gas mileage and the idea that some days/trips you're not even utilizing it as a sports car (And IMO, wasting mileage)...it's fine I suppose :P
Originally Posted by rynberg
That's my whole point!
And batman: I never said it get's better gas mileage. Read my post. They get similiar gas mileage to an FD (FD varies with mods and condition, as you all know) yet they provide much more space, and better drivability in the winter. Not a hard concept...
Originally Posted by wan
I drove my FD 1,300 miles home the day I bought it. I was worried about it leaving me stranded a few states from home but the car got very good gas mileage and gave me no problems at all. That was a year and a half ago. Since then I've driven it every single day, taken it to the track (drag and road course) many times and it has never left me stranded. Just keep up with regular maintenance and you/your car will be happy.
The only reason I would get another daily driver would be for more room. Sometimes having a two seater sucks but other times its a life saver. Every sports car has problems. Some have more than the FD while others have less.
The only reason I would get another daily driver would be for more room. Sometimes having a two seater sucks but other times its a life saver. Every sports car has problems. Some have more than the FD while others have less.
160K, dailey driver until 2003 and now maybe 8,000 miles a year. On the second engine and tranny. It has only been on a tow truck once in 12 years. I think that's pretty good. It was also 100% stock until about 2 years ago. For a daily driver I HIGHLY recommend stock.
Originally Posted by dohc-vtec_eg
i just got a FD and i plan on useing it as a DD. the usually maintainces ur talkin about is oil changes, spark plugs/wire, adding coolent here and there. is there anything else that i missed?
yeah, the fact that its 12 year old car and simple things will fail..i mean if you cruise the 3rd gen forum daily, you'll see all the threads of problems about little stuff.. like no spark, coil failing, idle problem..besides the normal maintenance, are you ready to deal with the other stuff? well i see you got the FD already, good luck..

even though the engine is in tip top shape, it could also be the little things that puts an FD down, you will still need a DD for backup..unless you're a mechanic and diagnosing little things is what you do..
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