Bye Bye Engine
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The Power of 1.3
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Originally posted by rynberg
Just take it to a Mazda dealer and have them run a compression check on the engine. Even if they don't follow the procedure perfectly, you'll know if you've lost a seal or not.
In all seriousness, HAVE you checked to see if the hose is still connected to the MAP sensor (and intake manifold)?
Just take it to a Mazda dealer and have them run a compression check on the engine. Even if they don't follow the procedure perfectly, you'll know if you've lost a seal or not.
In all seriousness, HAVE you checked to see if the hose is still connected to the MAP sensor (and intake manifold)?
I'd take it to Mazda, but I don't even know if it's gonna start again, and money is really tight w/the new engine, so I don't wanna pay to have it towed there to find out what I already know, if thats the case.
Boostin FD, I had no spikes, just a solid 10psi from a very late 5500 rpms on up (non-seq). It blew just after the 3-4 upshift, and admittedly, I wasn't looking at the boost guage right then, but I never had issues with spiking before.
I'll reply to this thread after I take a look at it tomorrow, I'll see it if starts, check the MAP sensor hose, I guess look over plugs/wires, and look for any loose hoses from the non-seq conversion.
Re: Bye Bye Engine
Originally posted by 911GT2
Well, I knew it was bound to happen eventually, but it did tonight.
On my way home from work, I got onto the highway, and punched it in 4th gear, then... car bucks, puff of black smoke, immediate loss of power, and tears in my eyes.
It won't idle, I have to keep my foot on the gas otherwise it stalls. I have very little power, as in can't get it to move if under about 3k rpms. And it just plain won't accelerate after about 40mph.
Upon getting it home, I opened the hood to a plume of black smoke, and it continued for about 2 minutes. No visible fluid leakage, but lots of smoke. All coming from the back of the rear rotor.
So, another FD has a blown engine, but hey, look on the bright side, I get a street port out of it, and more power
Well, I knew it was bound to happen eventually, but it did tonight.
On my way home from work, I got onto the highway, and punched it in 4th gear, then... car bucks, puff of black smoke, immediate loss of power, and tears in my eyes.

It won't idle, I have to keep my foot on the gas otherwise it stalls. I have very little power, as in can't get it to move if under about 3k rpms. And it just plain won't accelerate after about 40mph.
Upon getting it home, I opened the hood to a plume of black smoke, and it continued for about 2 minutes. No visible fluid leakage, but lots of smoke. All coming from the back of the rear rotor.
So, another FD has a blown engine, but hey, look on the bright side, I get a street port out of it, and more power
Upon taking it to Mazda, I was told that a "valve" had simple gone bad, was charged $300 and left happy.
Now, I am aware that there probably was nothing wrong with the car except the map sensor and I was ripped off for $300, but I got the car back home and it's been fine since.
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wait wait wait, exactly??? Smoke and all?? power loss, unable to build any boost, no idleing, exact same symptoms?
Wow, i might have hope looking into this tomorrow.
Wow, i might have hope looking into this tomorrow.
Originally posted by 911GT2
wait wait wait, exactly??? Smoke and all?? power loss, unable to build any boost, no idleing, exact same symptoms?
Wow, i might have hope looking into this tomorrow.
wait wait wait, exactly??? Smoke and all?? power loss, unable to build any boost, no idleing, exact same symptoms?
Wow, i might have hope looking into this tomorrow.
EXACTLY.
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Well, after looking it over today, I found the following.
All necessary hoses that I can see are still attached, including MAP sensor. Spark plugs are visually OK, and wires are attached.
I attempted to start it again, and it did with some difficulty. I had to keep the throttle on the floor to get it to start, and after that I could keep it running by holding it up around 1500rpms. There was whitish/grey smoke coming from the under and behind the UIM.
What does white/grey smoke usually indicate?
There was also a strong fuel smell from right around the same area that persisted after the smoke (maybe 1-2 minutes).
I could be way off base here, but could I just have blown a fuel injector, or something of that type?
I've decided I am going to take it to Mazda on Weds. to do a compression test, but in the mean time does anyone have a valuable info?
All necessary hoses that I can see are still attached, including MAP sensor. Spark plugs are visually OK, and wires are attached.
I attempted to start it again, and it did with some difficulty. I had to keep the throttle on the floor to get it to start, and after that I could keep it running by holding it up around 1500rpms. There was whitish/grey smoke coming from the under and behind the UIM.
What does white/grey smoke usually indicate?
There was also a strong fuel smell from right around the same area that persisted after the smoke (maybe 1-2 minutes).
I could be way off base here, but could I just have blown a fuel injector, or something of that type?
I've decided I am going to take it to Mazda on Weds. to do a compression test, but in the mean time does anyone have a valuable info?
Originally posted by 911GT2
Well, after looking it over today, I found the following.
All necessary hoses that I can see are still attached, including MAP sensor. Spark plugs are visually OK, and wires are attached.
I attempted to start it again, and it did with some difficulty. I had to keep the throttle on the floor to get it to start, and after that I could keep it running by holding it up around 1500rpms. There was whitish/grey smoke coming from the under and behind the UIM.
What does white/grey smoke usually indicate?
There was also a strong fuel smell from right around the same area that persisted after the smoke (maybe 1-2 minutes).
I could be way off base here, but could I just have blown a fuel injector, or something of that type?
I've decided I am going to take it to Mazda on Weds. to do a compression test, but in the mean time does anyone have a valuable info?
Well, after looking it over today, I found the following.
All necessary hoses that I can see are still attached, including MAP sensor. Spark plugs are visually OK, and wires are attached.
I attempted to start it again, and it did with some difficulty. I had to keep the throttle on the floor to get it to start, and after that I could keep it running by holding it up around 1500rpms. There was whitish/grey smoke coming from the under and behind the UIM.
What does white/grey smoke usually indicate?
There was also a strong fuel smell from right around the same area that persisted after the smoke (maybe 1-2 minutes).
I could be way off base here, but could I just have blown a fuel injector, or something of that type?
I've decided I am going to take it to Mazda on Weds. to do a compression test, but in the mean time does anyone have a valuable info?
Originally posted by 911GT2
O ring on the injector you mean? Should there be coolant in there to leak out? Shouldn't that stay in the coolant passages?
O ring on the injector you mean? Should there be coolant in there to leak out? Shouldn't that stay in the coolant passages?
This is the next best thing i could fine, could this have been what went wrong on your car?
http://www.scuderiaciriani.com/rx7/o-ring_failure.html
http://www.scuderiaciriani.com/rx7/o-ring_failure.html
I've seen my fair share of blown engines over the last 7 years (none on my FD though!) and I have NEVER seen "large clouds of smoke" in the engine bay with this sort of fault. I've even seen a motor blow the turbos clean off the motor, but that just made a mess 
Dont get me wrong, heaps of throttle to hold idle is a very bad sign, but you cant just "throw a rotor" if you get what I mean.
Lets say it was a "blown motor" as everybody seems to think - where's the smoke coming from?
The nearest I can think of is a total failure of an oil seal on the compressor side of a turbo and the burning oil is blowing back?
-pete

Dont get me wrong, heaps of throttle to hold idle is a very bad sign, but you cant just "throw a rotor" if you get what I mean.
Lets say it was a "blown motor" as everybody seems to think - where's the smoke coming from?
The nearest I can think of is a total failure of an oil seal on the compressor side of a turbo and the burning oil is blowing back?
-pete
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Originally posted by rpm_pwr
I've seen my fair share of blown engines over the last 7 years (none on my FD though!) and I have NEVER seen "large clouds of smoke" in the engine bay with this sort of fault. I've even seen a motor blow the turbos clean off the motor, but that just made a mess
Dont get me wrong, heaps of throttle to hold idle is a very bad sign, but you cant just "throw a rotor" if you get what I mean.
Lets say it was a "blown motor" as everybody seems to think - where's the smoke coming from?
The nearest I can think of is a total failure of an oil seal on the compressor side of a turbo and the burning oil is blowing back?
-pete
I've seen my fair share of blown engines over the last 7 years (none on my FD though!) and I have NEVER seen "large clouds of smoke" in the engine bay with this sort of fault. I've even seen a motor blow the turbos clean off the motor, but that just made a mess

Dont get me wrong, heaps of throttle to hold idle is a very bad sign, but you cant just "throw a rotor" if you get what I mean.
Lets say it was a "blown motor" as everybody seems to think - where's the smoke coming from?
The nearest I can think of is a total failure of an oil seal on the compressor side of a turbo and the burning oil is blowing back?
-pete
Even if it isn't an apex seal, say it is the oil seal, I need a rebuild anway, so KDR here I come.
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Originally posted by Rhode_Dog
This is the next best thing i could fine, could this have been what went wrong on your car?
http://www.scuderiaciriani.com/rx7/o-ring_failure.html
This is the next best thing i could fine, could this have been what went wrong on your car?
http://www.scuderiaciriani.com/rx7/o-ring_failure.html
When I blew mine last may I didn't have any smoke, but I did have all your other symptoms. My rear seal went, and my housing was shot
Now I'm broke and having boost issues, but hey - I've my car back, right?
Now I'm broke and having boost issues, but hey - I've my car back, right?
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