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Old Nov 4, 2004 | 01:25 PM
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Last offer is $370 if no one wants it its going off sale.
Don't let the door hit your *** on the way out!
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Old Nov 14, 2004 | 02:01 AM
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1= 399
2-5= 375
6-10= 350
11-15=325
15-20=315
20+=290
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Old Nov 14, 2004 | 02:32 AM
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bah typo that is old.
1=$399
2-5=$350
6-10=$315
11-15=$299
16-20= $280
20+=$250
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Old Nov 14, 2004 | 03:16 AM
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Alright, this is just getting old.


I can buy a 4x2' sheet of aluminum sheet metal for $15-35 (depending on desired thickness)from http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalo...03_alsheet.php
I guarantee you I could have a machine shop cut it to my desired specs for less than $100. I might be able to get it done for cheaper, but let's keep it a round number.


So far we're at $135 tops, for a one-off part.


It's a relatively simple part: thin, flat sheet metal with one bend, and no complex angles or incredibly precise cuts seem to be needed. A decent machinist could probably whip one of these up in half an hour using nothing more than a bandsaw, drill press, and a bender. Many of the people on this site would decide to tackle this level of fabrication on their own in order to save that hundred bucks, bringing the project's cost to less than $50 assuming they've got the tools necessary. Those who would pay to have it fabricated for them would want carbon fiber because it's the latest greatest thing: you don't see too many racecars or show cars with polished aluminum panels these days.


I guess the point I'm getting at is that you obviously don't understand your target market here. If you want to sell aluminum sheet metal, maybe you could do it in the form of something functional such as radiator ducting or an underbody tray.



I'm not questioning your fabrication skills, the parts are beautiful. But take a few business classes, and you'll learn that beautiful is not the only factor in getting people to buy your product.


Would you buy a set of bulletproof nylon shoelaces for $50?

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Old Nov 14, 2004 | 02:29 PM
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Originally Posted by RuffRyder
the shroud itself is almsot 300 withotu labor or anythign just teh material and polishing.
Originally Posted by RuffRyder
1=$399
2-5=$350
6-10=$315
11-15=$299
16-20= $280
20+=$250
If the material and polishing alone are nearly $300, as you claimed, how are you able to go below $300 at any quantity?

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Old Nov 14, 2004 | 03:55 PM
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Does anyone have a pic of the signal shroud on their car? What about the RE amemiya one on JT-Imports?
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Old Nov 14, 2004 | 04:04 PM
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Originally Posted by scotty305
Alright, this is just getting old.


I can buy a 4x2' sheet of aluminum sheet metal for $15-35 (depending on desired thickness)from http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalo...03_alsheet.php
I guarantee you I could have a machine shop cut it to my desired specs for less than $100. I might be able to get it done for cheaper, but let's keep it a round number.


So far we're at $135 tops, for a one-off part.


It's a relatively simple part: thin, flat sheet metal with one bend, and no complex angles or incredibly precise cuts seem to be needed. A decent machinist could probably whip one of these up in half an hour using nothing more than a bandsaw, drill press, and a bender. Many of the people on this site would decide to tackle this level of fabrication on their own in order to save that hundred bucks, bringing the project's cost to less than $50 assuming they've got the tools necessary. Those who would pay to have it fabricated for them would want carbon fiber because it's the latest greatest thing: you don't see too many racecars or show cars with polished aluminum panels these days.


I guess the point I'm getting at is that you obviously don't understand your target market here. If you want to sell aluminum sheet metal, maybe you could do it in the form of something functional such as radiator ducting or an underbody tray.



I'm not questioning your fabrication skills, the parts are beautiful. But take a few business classes, and you'll learn that beautiful is not the only factor in getting people to buy your product.


Would you buy a set of bulletproof nylon shoelaces for $50?

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I see you haven't been listening. This isn't sheet metal. In no way shape or form is it sheet metal. sheet metal can not be enscribed on. Go ahead go to some machinist and see how much he will charge you, send me the invoice. and i want to see him try and pull of those rotors i have made. No precise cuts? you must be stupidly blind. Any machinist will pull one of these out for you in half hour......go ahead try unless this machinist is god your pretty much fucked. You have no clue about this business so i would advise you to go get some cnc classes instead. Programming alone will take you hours. Making it takes a lot of time to get everythign perfect. Once you get everything perfect then the cnc can spit one out every 5 seconds. However you think a machinist will go through all that trouble of labor and not cost you a dime? machinist now a days cost around $60-150 a hour of labor. So if i were you i would go around find yourself some estimates try to find a machinist that has as much expeirence as my dad does and try to pull off one of these shrouds then you have every right to flame me.
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Old Nov 14, 2004 | 04:09 PM
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Jimlab as i posted in the other post, i really don't care that much about the money anymore now i just want you guys to see how it loosk in person. I'm not forcing anyone to buy it so i don't know why i'm getting flammed so bad. If you would like one and want to pay for one then i would get one out to you immediatly because i want you to see how great they are. If you don't want one...or you dont' want to pay for one thats fine by me too, i'm not sayign your an idiot for not getting one or your fd is a piece of **** without one. Because i know for instance jimlab fd is the **** and would own the **** out of a lot of peopel including me so i have no right to talk **** about you guys and therefore i havent.
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Old Nov 14, 2004 | 08:08 PM
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EDIT...got all my questions answered after I suffered reading everything.

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Old Nov 14, 2004 | 11:56 PM
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I will say that that really does look gorgeous. If it were closer to $200, I think you would sell a decent amount.

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Old Nov 15, 2004 | 12:06 AM
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I still want to know where we can get the carbon fiber ones?
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Old Nov 15, 2004 | 12:43 AM
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Originally Posted by RuffRyder
I see you haven't been listening. This isn't sheet metal. In no way shape or form is it sheet metal. sheet metal can not be enscribed on.
It is essentially a flat sheet of metal once you're finished with it. If you bought a block of solid aluminum and paid that premium, that's your choice. I can get the same shroud made of sheet metal and it will block air just the same.


i want to see him try and pull of those rotors i have made.
Again, you don't understand your market. 90% of the people who own this car will say "yes that looks nice, but I wouldn't pay an extra $250 for it." The rotors should be an added option, but you're making them part of the standard package, and this is why nobody has bought them.


No precise cuts? you must be stupidly blind.
I must be, because all I see is a $100 shroud with an extra $250 worth of pointless decoration tacked on. Those holes you CNC'd will detract from its effectiveness at forcing air through the radiator also. And if you're starting from block aluminum, it's very likely your shrouds weigh more than a shroud made from sheet metal, in addition to being less effective.


You have no clue about this business so i would advise you to go get some cnc classes instead. Programming alone will take you hours.
The programming only takes that long if you're using crappy command-line software. A more elegant method would to use CAD such as solidworks to design the piece, and any decent CNC software can accept the formats that AutoCAD or Solidworks can save in. My team has worked with a few different CNC shops before, we gave them CAD drawings in the format they requested and they gave us parts quickly. They didn't program the machine by hand, that would be a waste of time.


So if i were you i would go around find yourself some estimates try to find a machinist that has as much expeirence as my dad does and try to pull off one of these shrouds then you have every right to flame me.
I'm not going to do your legwork for you. You should have done this before you posted this topic.

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Old Nov 15, 2004 | 04:56 AM
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You should change that intercooler, ruffryder. With all that bling, seems kind of pointless to use the stock pos.
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Old Nov 15, 2004 | 09:55 AM
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Originally Posted by saburo
You should change that intercooler, ruffryder. With all that bling, seems kind of pointless to use the stock pos.
That's a pretty cool sig
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Old Nov 15, 2004 | 11:19 PM
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Ya i already have the greddy SMIC ordered , just waiting for it to arrive.
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You should change that intercooler, ruffryder. With all that bling, seems kind of pointless to use the stock pos.
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Old Nov 16, 2004 | 12:23 AM
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Originally Posted by GoodfellaFD3S
I will say that that really does look gorgeous. If it were closer to $200, I think you would sell a decent amount.
I agree completely, personally i think it looks great.
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Old Nov 16, 2004 | 08:51 PM
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Hey guys, how many people would be interested in the shroud for $250. If i get good numbers i might consider going that low. I'm not here to argue the price or anything just need an estimate of people who are in. A good old fashion "I" would be good. Just need to see who would take this price into consideration. This would be the lowest i will go. If i don't get enough responses then i'm just going to call the project off.
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