RX7s

That exactly what I'm about to say

hategreen

no my friend, GUYS dig stick, girls don't care. that's why more girls own autos than manuals. so, if you are trying to impress guys, then you have the right car sweety.
I always turn heads in my auto, and I still beat most cars who dare to desecrate the same patch of gravel I'm on.

Quik 93 FD

They dont drive stick themselves (usually) but it seems completely different to them so they like it. just my $.02

carded

I have a Auto and you couldn't give me a 5sp.
I don't want to just spin the tires.

carded

Just race from a rolling start and the stick will loses.

JspecFD

iTrader: (2)

Not in the real world. That would actually give the 5spd a greater advantage

If you read the earlier posts, you'd know the auto will lose on gearing(one less gear, 3.9 final, plus 7000rpm limit vs. 8000 for a 5spd) Plus, the cars have LSD for a reason

Welcome to the boards newbie

weaklink

Max,

Where did you get this info on the torque converter limiting power? Have you joined the AT group at yahoo?

ar_x

I was wondering how much it might cost to get from auto to stick. Any one have a clue or if it's possible?

ar_x

I thin girls dig stick, when they are in the car. Let me tell you from the outside the yjust dig the FD.
So I'm glad that I have one period
The 7 Kicks a$$!!!!

maxpesce

I think Jim at MARIAH gave that to me as a GUESTIMATE - I have no hard data and yes I have subcribed to the AT group on YAHOO

carded

If you want more power out of your FD the Auto ECU will limit you. Also if you wanted something like a PFC you can't.
That is not true I have a Auto and Dave from KDR set it up with PFC and I will kick any stock RX7 ***.
Downpipe,Mid-pipe, Big IC, Ported engine,big fuel pump,
KN fillter.
I don't plan to run more than a 1/4mile.

Quik 93 FD

kind of an older post but why wouldnt you take a 5 spd tranny carded??

LUV94RX7

iTrader: (3)

Nothing wrong with autos. 4.3 gears gain .2 seconds in the 1/4 mile over 3.9 re. Ever drive a stick in heavy traffic, it's a bitch. Stock auto are about .5 seconds slower in 1/4 mile than a 5sp. Mod them like my brother carded did and they are pretty fast. If he wants to spend the $$ he can do a Level 10 upgrade and save .5 to 1 second on his 1/4 mile times. After such an upgrade there is no way a stick can out shift an auto. Off the line the auto wins. All that clutch dumpng or slipping is a real skill. An auto you just jump off the line and go. Not much skill needed. People that knock autos are not that knowledgeable. In the old days of muscle car drag racing the autos won most of the time. My brother's '66 Dodge Hemi 4sp(which he still has) won tons of trophies. But the autos were more consistent. Stick takes a real skill, he just happened to have that skill and won most of the time.

Ken

bajaman

I really hope most people see that there is a time and place for both the auto and the manual.....and at no time should either group of owners start dissing the others, we are all part of a greater thing, the FD. I will say that I don't believe one can call one or the other "better", it is simply a matter of choice, based upon a lot of things, from the availability of the cars, to the condition of the cars, to the type of driving you do the most.

Automatics are not the dogs that a lot of people think of, and in fact most of the big block powered muscle cars of the '60s and '70s had very nice automatics as an option, ones that worked very well. GM's TurboHydramatic 400 coupled to a big block was THE ticket, and it totally eliminated the destroyed clutches and exploding flywheels that the 4 speed cars were prone to.

There is a certain misconception or myth that is propogated by some that you have to shift gears to be a real man, or that it shows you have some sort of superior skill in driving.....that is not the case in reality,
It is just like some to suffer thru various forms of near sado-masochism like insanely loud exhausts, or cars with the interiors gutted to save a few pounds, and have these folks try to convince us that THEY are the real men because they put up with what they do.

And lastly, an automatic that has had some mods and is capable of using the power to full advantage WILL pull very hard, regardless of the final drive ratio, or actually BECAUSE of the gearing.....lots of horsepower plus tall gearing makes for a hell of a ride, in the right circumstances. Hell, my old B2000 has a 4.90 to one final drive, but without any power, it doesn't pull hard.

Anyways, there in no need for bashing or hostility or denigration of ANY FD, in my opinion.

man_of_steel

I disagree. You should be driving an FD all the time. Thats why you spend so much time and money on it, right? I have an auto, love it, and someday I will go though the very rough process of switching out the tranny, but that is far in the future. My fd is STILL AN FD. It looks badass, is a great ride, and hauls ***.

as far as girls digging stick, its STILL an FD. Last girl that pulled that crack on me...
her: "oh, its an auto...."
me: "Well, thats too bad. I guess I'm not gonna let you ride in it."
her: "I was kidding! I'm sorry!"

as far as the cost, from what I understand from previous lurking, George Dodsworth (who I have emailed about the subject) is definately someone to consider for the switchover. Sevenspeed does more switchovers on FDs than any other, I've heard. Labor will run you 1200-1300. Parts will be about 1000. (not sure if that includes the new clutch and ACT street/strip with HD pressure plate...)

by the way, been in these posts several times, always appreciative of those who put up good info and not just their own opinion of why everyone who isn't them sucks

maxcooper

I have a manual and it is the right choice for me. I've driven an auto FD and it was kind of slow off the line as there isn't a lot of available torque at low RPMs. On the plus side, the on-boost shifts with the auto are very nice. Drive them both, weigh their strengths and weaknesses against your preferences and driving conditions and make your own choice.

My FD is a lot easier to drive (even with the light flywheel) than my '90 Integra daily driver. The clutch on the Integra is really grabby with no feel and there is a lot of slop in the suspension and drivetrain (at 150K miles) that makes for starts that are anything but smooth. The FD is much easier to drive.

-Max

Quik 93 FD

I have driven both the manual and the auto FD's. I did like how easy the auto was to drive and it was quick, but the autos were just a little sluggish from the very start. Im not saying I tried to power brake or anything, but the manual jumps when you ask it to. A Stick in heavy traffic isnt as bad as you make it seem like, but it does make it tricky to go slow(er). The manual gives u something to do and it gives you more of a feel for the cars power. 5spd or an auto, its still an fd...