Auto FDs?
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From: Cockaigne
Originally Posted by RotorFrank
We'll to make a trans brake, its only a question of modifying the valve body to build up the pressure in tho solenoids. Which could be adapted by someone with experience in competition transmission and rebuilds.
So what are you saying weaklink? i've been following your questions on the PCS forum, and you seem to have had one of the most complete help from the owner that i've seen in a long time. You could also install a Stall torque if you wanna improve your performances at the track.
So how come your true manual doesnt work yet?I should think that by now you got all the information needed to make it work... is it only cuz you don't have the knowledge or experience to do it? (just a question)
So what are you saying weaklink? i've been following your questions on the PCS forum, and you seem to have had one of the most complete help from the owner that i've seen in a long time. You could also install a Stall torque if you wanna improve your performances at the track.
So how come your true manual doesnt work yet?I should think that by now you got all the information needed to make it work... is it only cuz you don't have the knowledge or experience to do it? (just a question)
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I have owned 8 manual Mazda sports cars, 7 of them rotary. My last 3 rotaries have been automatic, and I have a few comments regarding automatic vs. stickshift.
My first one was a '91 Automatic Convertible RX7, this is possibly the slowest car you can buy from 0-60 mph. I modified quite a bit but the only time one could feel rotary power was at high rpm in second gear with the hold button ON. However, it was a very comfortable and enjoyable daily cruiser. The second one is an AT RX8 we still have. This car ran 16.8 @ 83 mph at the track and it does 0-60 mph in low 9 seconds. The shift buttons are on the steering wheel and it is a blast in manual mode. Unfortunately this poor car simply doesn't have enough power to overcome the automatic transmission. And finally I have an automatic FD. This car was fast as hell even bone stock, and is well in the 13s now with minor modifications. The tranny, MPV or not, is excellent and even with abuse it lasts way beyond the engine/turbos. I run Royal Purple Synthetic Max ATF, and sometimes when I do 10 minute burnouts I have to cool the tires/brakes before I can do it again but the tranny never complains. The best thing is there is instant boost, and no drop from shifts. I managed to do 148 mph in my stock auto FD on the same road where I only achieved 145 mph in my manual FD. Still, the 5-speed is clearly superior in most aspects.
In my opinion the main problem with automatic rotaries is that the rpms are limited (I think the TC can't handle?). In the FC, the redline is 7000 instead of 8000. Same thing with the FD. The RX8 is 7500 instead of 9500, and since the entire top end is missing, there was no reason for the two extra intake ports, so we get 41 less hp (!!!). Altough it's 5 more ft/lbs torque at slightly lower rpm (yippee). Overall, I would say the automatic is not this horrible evil thing that should be avoided or converted at all costs, it has its reasons, advantages and place in the world, and decent performance is achievable, especially in the FD. But anyone who buys an auto FD knowing they will want to convert it is making a mistake. Also I just want to say that I am sick an tired of these bitch *** teenagers who don't even own a car, much less an FD (or two) saying "Oh my God it's automatic! Why on earth did you buy an automatic? In Initial D and Gran Turismo I always pick manual!" Listen up you little ******* : I have blown up and totalled more manual RX7s than your daddy owned minivans, and if I choose to buy an automatic that my wife whips your ricer *** in on a daily bases, then STFU. AT powah!!!
My first one was a '91 Automatic Convertible RX7, this is possibly the slowest car you can buy from 0-60 mph. I modified quite a bit but the only time one could feel rotary power was at high rpm in second gear with the hold button ON. However, it was a very comfortable and enjoyable daily cruiser. The second one is an AT RX8 we still have. This car ran 16.8 @ 83 mph at the track and it does 0-60 mph in low 9 seconds. The shift buttons are on the steering wheel and it is a blast in manual mode. Unfortunately this poor car simply doesn't have enough power to overcome the automatic transmission. And finally I have an automatic FD. This car was fast as hell even bone stock, and is well in the 13s now with minor modifications. The tranny, MPV or not, is excellent and even with abuse it lasts way beyond the engine/turbos. I run Royal Purple Synthetic Max ATF, and sometimes when I do 10 minute burnouts I have to cool the tires/brakes before I can do it again but the tranny never complains. The best thing is there is instant boost, and no drop from shifts. I managed to do 148 mph in my stock auto FD on the same road where I only achieved 145 mph in my manual FD. Still, the 5-speed is clearly superior in most aspects.
In my opinion the main problem with automatic rotaries is that the rpms are limited (I think the TC can't handle?). In the FC, the redline is 7000 instead of 8000. Same thing with the FD. The RX8 is 7500 instead of 9500, and since the entire top end is missing, there was no reason for the two extra intake ports, so we get 41 less hp (!!!). Altough it's 5 more ft/lbs torque at slightly lower rpm (yippee). Overall, I would say the automatic is not this horrible evil thing that should be avoided or converted at all costs, it has its reasons, advantages and place in the world, and decent performance is achievable, especially in the FD. But anyone who buys an auto FD knowing they will want to convert it is making a mistake. Also I just want to say that I am sick an tired of these bitch *** teenagers who don't even own a car, much less an FD (or two) saying "Oh my God it's automatic! Why on earth did you buy an automatic? In Initial D and Gran Turismo I always pick manual!" Listen up you little ******* : I have blown up and totalled more manual RX7s than your daddy owned minivans, and if I choose to buy an automatic that my wife whips your ricer *** in on a daily bases, then STFU. AT powah!!!
Last edited by Outkast; Dec 15, 2004 at 09:47 AM.
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i guess you are brake torquing your fd to achieve these "10 minute" burnouts. i have been afraid to do this since my very expensive rebuild. i blew up my "excellent MPV or not" tranny within a couple of hours of installing a pfc with a SMIC, DP, catback, and intake. no brake torquing either, just nailing it from 60-70 on the highway, then BAM.
Originally Posted by Outkast
I have owned 8 manual Mazda sports cars, 7 of them rotary. My last 3 rotaries have been automatic, and I have a few comments regarding automatic vs. stickshift.
My first one was a '91 Automatic Convertible RX7, this is possibly the slowest car you can buy from 0-60 mph. I modified quite a bit but the only time one could feel rotary power was at high rpm in second gear with the hold button ON. However, it was a very comfortable and enjoyable daily cruiser. The second one is an AT RX8 we still have. This car ran 16.8 @ 83 mph at the track and it does 0-60 mph in low 9 seconds. The shift buttons are on the steering wheel and it is a blast in manual mode. Unfortunately this poor car simply doesn't have enough power to overcome the automatic transmission. And finally I have an automatic FD. This car was fast as hell even bone stock, and is well in the 13s now with minor modifications. The tranny, MPV or not, is excellent and even with abuse it lasts way beyond the engine/turbos. I run Royal Purple Synthetic Max ATF, and sometimes when I do 10 minute burnouts I have to cool the tires/brakes before I can do it again but the tranny never complains. The best thing is there is instant boost, and no drop from shifts. I managed to do 148 mph in my stock auto FD on the same road where I only achieved 145 mph in my manual FD. Still, the 5-speed is clearly superior in most aspects.
In my opinion the main problem with automatic rotaries is that the rpms are limited (I think the TC can't handle?). In the FC, the redline is 7000 instead of 8000. Same thing with the FD. The RX8 is 7500 instead of 9500, and since the entire top end is missing, there was no reason for the two extra intake ports, so we get 41 less hp (!!!). Altough it's 5 more ft/lbs torque at slightly lower rpm (yippee). Overall, I would say the automatic is not this horrible evil thing that should be avoided or converted at all costs, it has its reasons, advantages and place in the world, and decent performance is achievable, especially in the FD. But anyone who buys an auto FD knowing they will want to convert it is making a mistake. Also I just want to say that I am sick an tired of these bitch *** teenagers who don't even own a car, much less an FD (or two) saying "Oh my God it's automatic! Why on earth did you buy an automatic? In Initial D and Gran Turismo I always pick manual!" Listen up you little ******* : I have blown up and totalled more manual RX7s than your daddy owned minivans, and if I choose to buy an automatic that my wife whips your ricer *** in on a daily bases, then STFU. AT powah!!!
My first one was a '91 Automatic Convertible RX7, this is possibly the slowest car you can buy from 0-60 mph. I modified quite a bit but the only time one could feel rotary power was at high rpm in second gear with the hold button ON. However, it was a very comfortable and enjoyable daily cruiser. The second one is an AT RX8 we still have. This car ran 16.8 @ 83 mph at the track and it does 0-60 mph in low 9 seconds. The shift buttons are on the steering wheel and it is a blast in manual mode. Unfortunately this poor car simply doesn't have enough power to overcome the automatic transmission. And finally I have an automatic FD. This car was fast as hell even bone stock, and is well in the 13s now with minor modifications. The tranny, MPV or not, is excellent and even with abuse it lasts way beyond the engine/turbos. I run Royal Purple Synthetic Max ATF, and sometimes when I do 10 minute burnouts I have to cool the tires/brakes before I can do it again but the tranny never complains. The best thing is there is instant boost, and no drop from shifts. I managed to do 148 mph in my stock auto FD on the same road where I only achieved 145 mph in my manual FD. Still, the 5-speed is clearly superior in most aspects.
In my opinion the main problem with automatic rotaries is that the rpms are limited (I think the TC can't handle?). In the FC, the redline is 7000 instead of 8000. Same thing with the FD. The RX8 is 7500 instead of 9500, and since the entire top end is missing, there was no reason for the two extra intake ports, so we get 41 less hp (!!!). Altough it's 5 more ft/lbs torque at slightly lower rpm (yippee). Overall, I would say the automatic is not this horrible evil thing that should be avoided or converted at all costs, it has its reasons, advantages and place in the world, and decent performance is achievable, especially in the FD. But anyone who buys an auto FD knowing they will want to convert it is making a mistake. Also I just want to say that I am sick an tired of these bitch *** teenagers who don't even own a car, much less an FD (or two) saying "Oh my God it's automatic! Why on earth did you buy an automatic? In Initial D and Gran Turismo I always pick manual!" Listen up you little ******* : I have blown up and totalled more manual RX7s than your daddy owned minivans, and if I choose to buy an automatic that my wife whips your ricer *** in on a daily bases, then STFU. AT powah!!!
You say the fd was well into the 13s. I am guessing this is an estimate since you didnt post anytimes? So have you ran the car or not? Please post times.
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Originally Posted by Outkast
I have owned 8 manual Mazda sports cars, 7 of them rotary. My last 3 rotaries have been automatic, and I have a few comments regarding automatic vs. stickshift.
My first one was a '91 Automatic Convertible RX7, this is possibly the slowest car you can buy from 0-60 mph. I modified quite a bit but the only time one could feel rotary power was at high rpm in second gear with the hold button ON. However, it was a very comfortable and enjoyable daily cruiser. The second one is an AT RX8 we still have. This car ran 16.8 @ 83 mph at the track and it does 0-60 mph in low 9 seconds. The shift buttons are on the steering wheel and it is a blast in manual mode. Unfortunately this poor car simply doesn't have enough power to overcome the automatic transmission. And finally I have an automatic FD. This car was fast as hell even bone stock, and is well in the 13s now with minor modifications. The tranny, MPV or not, is excellent and even with abuse it lasts way beyond the engine/turbos. I run Royal Purple Synthetic Max ATF, and sometimes when I do 10 minute burnouts I have to cool the tires/brakes before I can do it again but the tranny never complains. The best thing is there is instant boost, and no drop from shifts. I managed to do 148 mph in my stock auto FD on the same road where I only achieved 145 mph in my manual FD. Still, the 5-speed is clearly superior in most aspects.
In my opinion the main problem with automatic rotaries is that the rpms are limited (I think the TC can't handle?). In the FC, the redline is 7000 instead of 8000. Same thing with the FD. The RX8 is 7500 instead of 9500, and since the entire top end is missing, there was no reason for the two extra intake ports, so we get 41 less hp (!!!). Altough it's 5 more ft/lbs torque at slightly lower rpm (yippee). Overall, I would say the automatic is not this horrible evil thing that should be avoided or converted at all costs, it has its reasons, advantages and place in the world, and decent performance is achievable, especially in the FD. But anyone who buys an auto FD knowing they will want to convert it is making a mistake. Also I just want to say that I am sick an tired of these bitch *** teenagers who don't even own a car, much less an FD (or two) saying "Oh my God it's automatic! Why on earth did you buy an automatic? In Initial D and Gran Turismo I always pick manual!" Listen up you little ******* : I have blown up and totalled more manual RX7s than your daddy owned minivans, and if I choose to buy an automatic that my wife whips your ricer *** in on a daily bases, then STFU. AT powah!!!
My first one was a '91 Automatic Convertible RX7, this is possibly the slowest car you can buy from 0-60 mph. I modified quite a bit but the only time one could feel rotary power was at high rpm in second gear with the hold button ON. However, it was a very comfortable and enjoyable daily cruiser. The second one is an AT RX8 we still have. This car ran 16.8 @ 83 mph at the track and it does 0-60 mph in low 9 seconds. The shift buttons are on the steering wheel and it is a blast in manual mode. Unfortunately this poor car simply doesn't have enough power to overcome the automatic transmission. And finally I have an automatic FD. This car was fast as hell even bone stock, and is well in the 13s now with minor modifications. The tranny, MPV or not, is excellent and even with abuse it lasts way beyond the engine/turbos. I run Royal Purple Synthetic Max ATF, and sometimes when I do 10 minute burnouts I have to cool the tires/brakes before I can do it again but the tranny never complains. The best thing is there is instant boost, and no drop from shifts. I managed to do 148 mph in my stock auto FD on the same road where I only achieved 145 mph in my manual FD. Still, the 5-speed is clearly superior in most aspects.
In my opinion the main problem with automatic rotaries is that the rpms are limited (I think the TC can't handle?). In the FC, the redline is 7000 instead of 8000. Same thing with the FD. The RX8 is 7500 instead of 9500, and since the entire top end is missing, there was no reason for the two extra intake ports, so we get 41 less hp (!!!). Altough it's 5 more ft/lbs torque at slightly lower rpm (yippee). Overall, I would say the automatic is not this horrible evil thing that should be avoided or converted at all costs, it has its reasons, advantages and place in the world, and decent performance is achievable, especially in the FD. But anyone who buys an auto FD knowing they will want to convert it is making a mistake. Also I just want to say that I am sick an tired of these bitch *** teenagers who don't even own a car, much less an FD (or two) saying "Oh my God it's automatic! Why on earth did you buy an automatic? In Initial D and Gran Turismo I always pick manual!" Listen up you little ******* : I have blown up and totalled more manual RX7s than your daddy owned minivans, and if I choose to buy an automatic that my wife whips your ricer *** in on a daily bases, then STFU. AT powah!!!
thats all i will say about this post.
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Amidst all this techno mumbo jumbo, I think most are missing the point of why people do the Auto->Manual swap; It's just plain funner.
I know very well that the fastest and best way to be fast in a straight line is a high stall auto.
Since when was the FD all about the quarter? Right. It's not. I don't know about you, but I see FD's shine at AutoX events and they show up at track days.
Manual (to most) is simply more fun. The idea of control over each gear held in and shifted to only by the physical movement of our feet and hand in harmony is what gives us joy. Even if a special aftermarket auto could do the job for me, better, in a turn or straightaway, I want to do it myself. I want to drive the car, I don't want it to drive me.
So blah blah your Auto Defending Stuff, give me manual or give me death!!!
I know very well that the fastest and best way to be fast in a straight line is a high stall auto.
Since when was the FD all about the quarter? Right. It's not. I don't know about you, but I see FD's shine at AutoX events and they show up at track days.
Manual (to most) is simply more fun. The idea of control over each gear held in and shifted to only by the physical movement of our feet and hand in harmony is what gives us joy. Even if a special aftermarket auto could do the job for me, better, in a turn or straightaway, I want to do it myself. I want to drive the car, I don't want it to drive me.
So blah blah your Auto Defending Stuff, give me manual or give me death!!!
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Originally Posted by djseven
You say the fd was well into the 13s. I am guessing this is an estimate since you didnt post anytimes? So have you ran the car or not? Please post times.
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He said he was well into the 13s. To me that means 13.0-13.3. He varely snuck into the 13s. I have owned both auto and manuel fds so I am by no means flaming. I am just yet to see an automatic 7 that wasnt full drag setup run decent times.
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i dont want to bring up this topic again but o well. yes its not all about the 1/4 mile times, and it is about cornering and having fun. but thats better left up to the driver. now i live in N.Y. so on the expressway traffic sucksssssssssssss!!! So i went with an automatic. now at times i wish i had a 5 speed. and i have lost many times in a race to cars i thought never possible(from a dead stand still, also my turbos are only seeing 4-5 pounds). In defense to the auto i can say at 20-25 mph a saleen and z28 (at different times) pulled up along side me and i smashed the gas and roasted them both. so when people say they run 14.7 in the 1/4 yeah your right but run the car from a roll big difference. also go with 4.33 gears and make it as easy for the turbo to spool up as possible. no all i have to my car is a street port mild msd wires intake and a crappy c/b. I have destroyed my friends mustang 5.0 with a new nicely worked motor ( heads full exhaust cams lifters rocker arms cooling electrical system) and rear with a short throw and i ate em. yeah yeah i know im just typing to make myself feel better but its just up to the driver. as much as i want the 5spd im happy with my auto. One more thing the faster your car goes the more tickets you might get think about it . You might be better off making the car look really pretty and leave it stock. ok im done allow all the people with 5spd's to rip me apart
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Originally Posted by djseven
He said he was well into the 13s. To me that means 13.0-13.3. He varely snuck into the 13s. I have owned both auto and manuel fds so I am by no means flaming. I am just yet to see an automatic 7 that wasnt full drag setup run decent times.
P.S. : I agree 3rd gen is about more than drag, and AT is no fun in turns.
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I've always chimed in on nearly every one of these auto-vs-manual threads....so here goes. 
It seems that when it comes down to it, the reason a lot of auto FD owners are constantly "defending" the car is due to a total lack of understanding of it by the general populace.
Certainly the car's TOTAL performance is marginally compromised compared to its 5 speed brother, BUT.....when these cars have such incredibly high performance levels to begin with, even a "compromised" FD is one hell of a fun ride! I've had a lot of fast, fun manual tranny cars in my life and you know what? My auto FD just OBLITERATES them in 'fun factor'! I had a 5 speed FC and it was a blast to drive but....it couldn't hold a candle to my FD. Same with my Audi Quattro. Or my Camaro.
The 3rd gen RX7 is just a fast, fun, outrageous beast of a car...no matter what transmission is in it.
And as I've said before, part of the pride of ownership of a 3rd gen is knowing YOU have a car that most enthusiasts just drool over. You see the looks in traffic, in parking lots....they range from green envy to a total "thumbs-up-*******-A-man!" spread.
THEY don't care or even think about what transmission is in your car at that moment!
And one last thing. When I started looking for a 3rd gen, I looked at a total of 7 different cars over a period of a year or so. And every one of the 5 speed cars had been "trashed and thrashed" somewhat by their former owner(s) and/or had a ton of miles. And this was well before 'The Fast and the Furious'.....lol! My car on the other hand was in nearly showroom condition with only 61K on the odometer, and I'm the 2nd owner. All I am saying is there are a lot of factors one considers in the purchase of a car like the FD....and to me the transmission type wasn't THAT big of a deal.
It seems that when it comes down to it, the reason a lot of auto FD owners are constantly "defending" the car is due to a total lack of understanding of it by the general populace.
Certainly the car's TOTAL performance is marginally compromised compared to its 5 speed brother, BUT.....when these cars have such incredibly high performance levels to begin with, even a "compromised" FD is one hell of a fun ride! I've had a lot of fast, fun manual tranny cars in my life and you know what? My auto FD just OBLITERATES them in 'fun factor'!
I had a 5 speed FC and it was a blast to drive but....it couldn't hold a candle to my FD. Same with my Audi Quattro. Or my Camaro.The 3rd gen RX7 is just a fast, fun, outrageous beast of a car...no matter what transmission is in it.
And as I've said before, part of the pride of ownership of a 3rd gen is knowing YOU have a car that most enthusiasts just drool over. You see the looks in traffic, in parking lots....they range from green envy to a total "thumbs-up-*******-A-man!" spread.
THEY don't care or even think about what transmission is in your car at that moment!And one last thing. When I started looking for a 3rd gen, I looked at a total of 7 different cars over a period of a year or so. And every one of the 5 speed cars had been "trashed and thrashed" somewhat by their former owner(s) and/or had a ton of miles. And this was well before 'The Fast and the Furious'.....lol! My car on the other hand was in nearly showroom condition with only 61K on the odometer, and I'm the 2nd owner. All I am saying is there are a lot of factors one considers in the purchase of a car like the FD....and to me the transmission type wasn't THAT big of a deal.
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Ummm... IMHO.... my understanding is with the 4:33 rear end gears.....These FD's jump up off the line and flat go.. The torque multiplucation factor is mobetta....Slow out of the hole/? You bet! For auto x's..ok... As i stated..IMHO.. Peace..out Carter
Originally Posted by bajaman
I've always chimed in on nearly every one of these auto-vs-manual threads....so here goes.
It seems that when it comes down to it, the reason a lot of auto FD owners are constantly "defending" the car is due to a total lack of understanding of it by the general populace.
Certainly the car's TOTAL performance is marginally compromised compared to its 5 speed brother, BUT.....when these cars have such incredibly high performance levels to begin with, even a "compromised" FD is one hell of a fun ride! I've had a lot of fast, fun manual tranny cars in my life and you know what? My auto FD just OBLITERATES them in 'fun factor'! I had a 5 speed FC and it was a blast to drive but....it couldn't hold a candle to my FD. Same with my Audi Quattro. Or my Camaro.
The 3rd gen RX7 is just a fast, fun, outrageous beast of a car...no matter what transmission is in it.
And as I've said before, part of the pride of ownership of a 3rd gen is knowing YOU have a car that most enthusiasts just drool over. You see the looks in traffic, in parking lots....they range from green envy to a total "thumbs-up-*******-A-man!" spread. THEY don't care or even think about what transmission is in your car at that moment!
And one last thing. When I started looking for a 3rd gen, I looked at a total of 7 different cars over a period of a year or so. And every one of the 5 speed cars had been "trashed and thrashed" somewhat by their former owner(s) and/or had a ton of miles. And this was well before 'The Fast and the Furious'.....lol! My car on the other hand was in nearly showroom condition with only 61K on the odometer, and I'm the 2nd owner. All I am saying is there are a lot of factors one considers in the purchase of a car like the FD....and to me the transmission type wasn't THAT big of a deal.
It seems that when it comes down to it, the reason a lot of auto FD owners are constantly "defending" the car is due to a total lack of understanding of it by the general populace.
Certainly the car's TOTAL performance is marginally compromised compared to its 5 speed brother, BUT.....when these cars have such incredibly high performance levels to begin with, even a "compromised" FD is one hell of a fun ride! I've had a lot of fast, fun manual tranny cars in my life and you know what? My auto FD just OBLITERATES them in 'fun factor'!
I had a 5 speed FC and it was a blast to drive but....it couldn't hold a candle to my FD. Same with my Audi Quattro. Or my Camaro.The 3rd gen RX7 is just a fast, fun, outrageous beast of a car...no matter what transmission is in it.
And as I've said before, part of the pride of ownership of a 3rd gen is knowing YOU have a car that most enthusiasts just drool over. You see the looks in traffic, in parking lots....they range from green envy to a total "thumbs-up-*******-A-man!" spread.
THEY don't care or even think about what transmission is in your car at that moment!And one last thing. When I started looking for a 3rd gen, I looked at a total of 7 different cars over a period of a year or so. And every one of the 5 speed cars had been "trashed and thrashed" somewhat by their former owner(s) and/or had a ton of miles. And this was well before 'The Fast and the Furious'.....lol! My car on the other hand was in nearly showroom condition with only 61K on the odometer, and I'm the 2nd owner. All I am saying is there are a lot of factors one considers in the purchase of a car like the FD....and to me the transmission type wasn't THAT big of a deal.
! I've owned both a 5 speed and an auto (which I own currently) FDs. Both of them 93's, both same color combination (silver w/black interior). The 5 speed I bought new in 93 and the auto I bought 2 years ago next April with 68k on the clock and in mint condition! I can honestly say that both are excellent cars and compared to the cars of that era and newer, 99% of the current models available can't hold a candle to either the manual or the auto FD.
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