badddrx7

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Yep that's me, and I found a duct - at Pettit. Those folks are very helpful, Cam knows his **** and Jeff either has what you need or can find it. Now that is a real POSITIVE for the Rx7 community. They have never asked me for a picture or other bullshit, just how fast do you need it.

This must be you helping these folks in this thread similar to how you've acted here with this gentleman.

https://www.rx7club.com/forum/showth...3&page=1&pp=15

matty

i am with you^^^^

this is one of the silliest threads i have read on the forum.

not attacking you kevin but what is your logic in not selling the duct alone?
cause u want to sell the ic itself as well? ramp the price up for the duct when sold seperately???? i dont know i just dont understand the business logic. just seems like monopolistic behavier (if thats a word) which in effect is only lowering your market share when your attempting to do the opposite. just think of how many ducts you could sell at a higher price.

boosted94

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Thanks guys, this is was one of my hopes when Kevin said Damian was taking over. I thought a new begining with ASP a fresh start. Thought there were going to be new implementations, especially towards customer satisfaction. Just wish Damian had the chance to do so. He seems like a person truely dedicated to helping and supporting us. Not trying to bad mouth you at all Kevin (truely) Just wish you would be more leaniate on your rules especially when we dont really know them until after the fact. I've never heard of a company asking for reciepts or pictures to purchase a product.
Well, I guess this means Im not going to be able to buy the duct. Bummer.

Kevin T. Wyum

If you want to know why have a scumbag like Cam at Pettit ask to "borrow" an IC kit for awhile and asking him what in the world would he want to borrow one for? Then he says, oh nevermind. Finding out soon after he worked on a car with an ASP kit and made molds from the ducts and copied the dimensions of the core etc. Thank god he uses crap quality materials in the copies he sells.

So the fresh start you were hoping for was to sell ducts to people that bought ebay knock off's? I'm about 99% certain from the long distance picture you posted that you have an ebay IC and not an ASP IC. I won't tell you how but thanks a lot for wasting my time with your little game.

Matty if I have to explain the business logic of this course of action then you're beyond hope. This is a very finite market, dollar store marketing doesn't apply.

Boosted if you've never heard of companies not offering to sell you individual parts of a product that is not normally sold that way then you need to get out in the world. It's a very common practice. Why don't you go ask Chuck (in San Fran) to sell you just the mounting setup for his Vmount kits. Maybe the new person selling the kits will have a fresh start and sell them alone. Maybe you can get Microsoft to sell you just a few parts of their OS including the source code.

You're right that Damian and Andrew are the nicest guys in the world, but that doesn't mean they're going to give the store away. They aren't in business to support XS customer problems. That's the beauty of this situation. They can maintain that nice guy image (which is really what they are) and keep their hands clean while I deal with the unpleasant parts of the business like this when I have time.

boosted94

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Its not monopolistic its "***** Wonka Complex"
"Were you one of those dispicable spies who everyday tried to steal my lives work and sell it to those parasitite copy-cat candy making cads"

Yes Kevin I am. You want to hear that I have the XS intercooler and try to steal the duct. Or better yet I'm Cam and I'm giving it a 2nd try to steal your duct.

But I didnt post to make fun. Well maybe a little, Charlie and the Chocalate Factory was on HBO and I couldnt help but find the similarities. But I'm actually posting because I had some people Pm me about the heat-shield duct. That is Damian's design which he kindly posted a PDF design template for free. You can search for under Damian or heat-sheild. He even tells you the K&N filter part numbers.

7racer

For me, it has to deal with intellectual property. I for one think that something that is of yours and your design you can do as you please.

Kevin has been extremely good to me inregards to support for the intercooler. If I had a missing piece (couplers) he immediately shipped it out.

I do not see anything wrong with him not wanted to sell the duct seperately as he is still continues to support his full product.

And I don't know why you are making it so hard on yourself. If you have the intercooler just take the freaking pics! Case closed. Just have your neice take some more pictures. The burdon of proof is on you not Kevin. Otherwise you come off as not being fully honest. And if that was the case I wouldn't sell you the product either.

Regardless, it is not like you don't have other options. Make your own, get in from the ebay intercooler duct fabricators, or try to get one from Cam. If you do really have the ASP intercooler, I think you will find that Kevin will support you fully.

matty

hey thks for the jab. seems like that childish behavior that you were talking about earlier is starting to rub off on YOU! I was careful when posting earlier to not offend you. but u choose otherwise.

Anyways... if you wish to conduct yourself in such a way so be it. I myself choose to be alittle more gentlemen like. Think about what u are doing here! This thread reads like a transcript of a trial in a murder case. give me a break. its a freaking ic duct. Reading this thread left a bad taste in my mouth. what can i say? i guess you cant please everyone.

GooRoo

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Just to throw my opinion out there as well...

First I'd like to make clear that we took over *production* of the intercooler kits, not anything else. That means that Kevin is still in charge of policies and proceedures and we have to abide by those. So to those of you hoping for a big policy change or something like that, sorry to say it isn't going to happen. We are mainly here to try to organize and get kits out to people in as timely a manner as possible and be *very* available to answer questions, address problems etc. I think if you talk to people who have already dealt with us, then you will see at least that part has changed from in the past. I'm not ragging on Kevin here, he's just a really busy guy, and he's been doing this stuff a long time.

Second, the policies Kevin has have been formed over 10 years of making and selling these kits. If you think you are going to change his mind about any of this, you are very likely wrong. If you still want to try, I'd suggest a PM, as most of these arguements are not new, and can be easily dealt with in private. Kevin has been screwed by people many times and for literally multiple tens of thousands of dollars. Think about it. You would probably be appropriately protective of your designs too.

Third, Damian and I have been working on products and designs etc. We like giving back to people who have helped us. I'm not speaking for Damian here, but the forums and everyone out there who posts are the reason I know what I'm doing along with the help I've gotten from local MN guys like Damian and Kevin. That said, we know that some people would rather buy a finished product, so we will offer that. (eg radiator ducting) At the same time we have development costs that we need to recoup. (eg gtc lenses/undertrays) So, my point is, we will continue to both offer designs and templates for people to make their own stuff, as well as offering products for people to buy. And most importantly, we'll try to be available and open for people's questions, issues etc.

Finally, if you actually have purchased a ASP/M2 intercooler and need support, we are more than happy to help out. All records from ASP sales are available and we don't need any additional documentation to be able to help. However, if you bought from M2, we have no documentation. (See point #2 above) Just contact us and we will tell you what we need to verify. It's not ideal, but it's what we have to do.