jayk

I'm glad everybody was able to come to a consensus on this, I for one am only using it to be a little safer running 12 psi than I would have been on the stock intercooler. At the moment its not the speed of my car holding me up on the track, its my driving...

jayk

BTW - The crossover pipe will fit with the airpump and the r1 strut brace. Pictures below.

Oh, and the ducting is a work in progress so unless you have a useful suggestion please no comments on how it looks. Its effective when the hood is closed and thats all i needed for now.

chinoflyer

iTrader: (1)

that is a great idea using the hood as part of the duct. I assume that you are using something to on the bottom of the intercooler to block off the hot air form the rad. I got a apexi intake, I don't see a way to have both the intake and this intercooler in the engine bay.

jayk

Yeah, the shield actually wraps from the right-side of the intercooler along the bottom to block the output of the fans so it makes a shielded area that the stock duct feeds into.

HDP

iTrader: (2)

Didn't appear that way the first couple of posts... rather than name calling and hating on everyone for trying these intercoolers, why not fight fire with fire and offer a less expensive version of your medium and/or large ASP? I'm sure you would be much happier if everyone bought "junk"(out-dated) intercoolers from you rather than the other guys...

Kevin T. Wyum

You mean I should offer a lower quality less efficient core to bring the price down? Sorry I'm not interested in producing for the Wal Mart market, maybe that's what you want for your car and that's cool, to each their own.

HDP

iTrader: (2)

No, I think you misunderstood... in addition to your ASP medium/large, offer a less expensive version... That "not interested in producing for the Wal Mart market" statement sounds a little prejudice to me. But from reading some of your past (more recent) posts, I can clearly see that in you. If I sold an item, I think I would cater to as many as I possibly could, more money in my pocket at the end of the day rather than the next man... that is your goal, right? So what's wrong with offering a lower grade part in addition to the higher quality ones? Nearly every manufacturer does it and the way things look right now, the Wal Mart market might be the dominate one.

Kevin T. Wyum

I guess that makes you another one of those people that aren't equipped to carry on a reasonable debate without resorting to the race card then. How the heck do you people get prejudice from a conversation about cars in the first place? Is it fun playing the victim all the time?

No it's not. I don't have time to build any significant number of IC's so I'm not looking to offer a high volume low price version. My time for car stuff is very finite so I'd prefer to stick with the higher quality and pricepoint gear while I'm doing it.

I've considered offering a package to the people buying those cheap cores though if that helps. It would be the ASP duct, the seal material and the cast air pump friendly turbo pipe for about $350.

sonix7

Kevin I would be interested in that. I wish you would have said that 2 weeks ago. I need an air pump pipe and a duct. I did fabricate my own, but I love the ASP duct and the x-over pipe looks pro style. Also I think that would prove there is no hard feelings on your part and willing to help others out in a different predictament. If you did consider this, wouldn't that be good for everyone involved. You could make it definately worth wild for both parties. Otherwise someone else will start making what you are considering and then you will be left behind playing the "victim" again. Explaining why your product is better. Let us know what you decide.
-Jason

HDP

iTrader: (2)

Hmmm... I don't recall saying anything about race. I was speaking about your statement being prejudice to lower income individuals. But now it seems that you are also stereotyping by associating lower income with race. It's typical, so I'm not surprised. And you say "reasonable debate"... I guess you calling another person a clown is reasonable.


Flip the script... so after all the bashing you just did, you considered offering something for the "poor" folks. Yeah, right! That's very hypocritical. But when it's all said and done, it's all about what makes everyone happy. Good luck.

TwinTurbo_SE7EN

aww, damnit! Im not even going to attempt to compete with the almighty Kevin T. Wyum. For all those who asked me about a duct, if Kevin is going to do his package deal, forget it.


oh and the numbers I posted previously were with half the duct inlet being blocked. The numbers are now within a few degrees FAHRENHEIT of the numbers posted for the ASP/M2 units.

sonix7

lets put it this way, I would buy from whomever had the best price and design. PERIOD! business is not personal. Demand speaks, you have a lot of guys getting this intercooler and no duct. so again, whomever comes up with one I would consider getting it. comprenda?

potatochobit

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there is simply 'NO POINT' in offering a less expensive intercooler kit.


the stock intercooler is already free. there is no reason to do a mediocre job of 'improving' it.


the greddy FMIC is already at 899$ brand new. that is a great compromise and affordability. if you cannot afford kevin or chucks kits.

TwinTurbo_SE7EN

nope...no point in dropping temps and less pressure drop. absolutely no point in upgrading when you are seeing 70C on the stock IC?? I think not. FMIC? sure, but if you dont want to cut the front bumper and block airflow to the radiator. but then again, I guess you call being within a few degrees of a $1500 IC kit mediocre. to each his own...

jayk

I agree, FMIC is not an option in my opinion, neither is $1500 for an ic. I've been seeing temps at least 20 degrees less than stock and gained ~2psi when i switched to this intercooler from stock. Which meant I could turn down my boost controller so the turbos don't have to work as hard. Both well worth $225.

California Dreaming

I agree totally, thats why I ordered one on friday.

TwinTurbo_SE7EN

I will have pictures in the next day or two of the fiberglass duct I made for mine. I have re designed it since I took the picture posted in this thread. I'd like to make them for you guys. shoot me a PM if you would be interested in getting one. prices should be in the $150 range.

jayk

I for one would prefer to support somebody innovating on this board rather than the overpriced vendors. If it looks good enough and won't fall apart I'd be interested. I keep telling myself I'll spend the time to do it myself, but I probably won't...

TwinTurbo_SE7EN

Ive got the structural part down. Im in the process of finishing the outside so it looks good.

sonix7

with everything I have researched about intercoolers. I have come to the conclusion that I cannot see the pay-off between getting an ss autochrome intercooler and the higher priced smic such as ASP, Greddy, etc. The ss intercooler is an older core, but is a proven bar and plate design. Kevin even said "worth" $250.00, and much better than stock. Therefore I cannot see paying double or triple for an intercooler that may or may not drop the intake temp as much as the ss for $250.00. I feel this thing is nice and will perform. Now we just need someone making a duct and its off to the races. These are not pieces of ****, they are affordable alternatives. Whoever fills the demand for the duct will have some business, cause there are going to be more of us getting these in the future.

HDP

iTrader: (2)

Well, since Kevin was a little late "opening his eyes", if he decides to offer a low-end kit, maybe he could sell just the duct to those who have already purchased one of these intercoolers.

Kevin T. Wyum

What I was thinking of was offering people the real ASP Medium or Large IC duct with seal and cast pipe that works with the air pump for 300-400, I mentioned this 14 posts above. If people are willing to take the chance on the SSautochrome core (that whole package is less than half of MY COST for just the core) then I might be willing to save others the time of having to make a duct etc.

With that in mind and just playing with numbers I'll do the package for $345 for anyone that wants it plus whatever Fedex charges to box and ship, just don't ask me for any support with your SS autochrome stuff. I'd also still caution people to think twice about using one of those cores, debris or bad seam/weld could cost you a motor and or set of turbos.



PM or email me if you want them. It'll be a few weeks on the cast tube, the foundry has to do another run of them and yes I do take credit cards now.



Sonix7 I think you misunderstood someones post if you think there's a chance the SS autochrome core will outperform the others, the person was talking about a 20degree drop compared to stock. Anyway glad the thread has stayed reasonable.

HDP

iTrader: (2)

So, $345 for just the duct and intercooler piping?

jayk

Would you consider offering just the duct or would it not line up without the piping? I'm considering this offer, especially if the awkward angle of the straight pipe sold with the ic causes another turbo coupler rip at the track this weekend.

Also, I'd like to second the fact that nobody is claiming this is better than the higher-end options. The only thing we know is that it is better than stock, and hopefully build problems won't surface.

Kevin T. Wyum

Honestly I don't really know anything about the piping they used, just what I've seen in these threads, so I can't really help you with any of that. I seem to recall it wasn't even the right diameter for the car before when it was being sold as the race proven FD super power IC As I said above I won't be able to support the parts I'm not providing so I can't vouch for how good of a copy it is etc. I'd like to keep the pipe and core together since I need to place a new foundry order anyway. I don't want to make this a sales thread or anything so let me just leave it as I'll provide the two items from my normal kit, what's done with them is up to the consumer.