Yeah, It doesent really bother me that much that some dude on the internet said i am a bad driver because i am young. I'm just bored waiting for the girl to come over...

 

I know when i was 16, I was a cocky arrogant bastard, wait nothing has changed. hahaha.

 

im in the same pos as you bobby. ive been driving since i was about 14. my dad is a pilot in recreation, so i know a thing about always being careful and thinking ahead *ie. always thinking of places to land if an engine goes out* but. no matter what i say or have done, im just a 17yo, and im dumb, and hazardous in a turboed rwd car. i drove an fc for a good while, so i konw how rwd handles around turns. my new fd does have more power, but i think that i can handle fine. us 17's that want to prove to the world we are capable of driving without accidents just have to prove it to these old farts...unless they say that we just made it b/c we were lucky.

 

haha yeah, well mabye we are?

who knows/who cares

peace

bobby

 

I'm not out to say 16 year olds are dumb accident prone kids. That wasn't my point. My point was simply to keep in mind that things way beyond you factor in heavily when driving, and these things can only come w/ many years of consistant driving.

I'm sure some of you guys are well beyond your years, it's entirely possible. I was 16 not too long ago and I think I def. knew a lot more than my peers, and was a hell of a lot safer. But when I look back at myself today, I realize how much more room for improvement there was, even though I couldn't see it then.

Either way, stay safe, take care of the 7, and the best to all of ya

 

The numbers don't lie. Why do you think that young males are the most expensive drivers to insure? It's not just a stereotype it's a proven fact that young people don't have the experience necessary to drive powerful sports cars.

There is of course an exception to every rule.

 

why do you guys care so much that people look down on you since your 16-17 and drive a fast car? Wait a few more years, then you can poke fun at the 16-17 year olds as well. You dont stay young forever

 

Shoot, I wish I were sixteen all over again and had a third gen Rx7 as my car - What could be better???!!! (No sarcasm intended)

 

Personally I think it's bs with the debate that 16 year olds shouldn't have a fast car. Wether you drive a fast or slow car you can still kill yourself just as easy. It might be more tempting to go fast in an rx7, but if you have those temptations in the first place your going to have them in a slow car to, why do you think people put money into civics?! I'm 18 with 0 accidents and 0 tickets...should I be crucified for driving an rx7 with 26k original miles when its like atleast once a week an adult is wreckin his rx7?! It wasn't my first car but I was just as capable of going 100+ in the eclipse an 240 that I previously owned. Just because you have a fast car doesnt mean the car can only drive fast...Besides even the most experienced driver can get in an accident. It all depends on the conditions of the accident (someone ran a redlight, stop sign ect. ect.)


-Alex

 

Im 18 and i know that i would do something stupid if i had an FD. I mean i do stupid **** with my FC and just who knows what would happen if i had an FD?

 

Thats YOU though not all teenagers. When your 18 and paying for a 20 grand car you realize real quick not to **** off... Granted not all teenagers realize that and not all pay for their own cars but theres no reason to catagorize all teenagers as accident prone jackass drivers. Any driver can get into an accident from someone running a redlight, that doesnt make them a bad driver, the bad driver is the 1 that ran the light. Although I guess it'd make it look even worse if the person who ran the redlight a teenager LOL.

-Alex

 

probably not.... I have seen just as many wrecks with "older more experienced drivers" as I have with the 21 and under crowd. Many of them where just straight jackass's that thought there age or status in life gave them the right to rule the road, where as many of the 21 and under were just inexperienced. Which is more dangerous? neither, nor a 30+ fellow who thinks that he is special is just as bad as a 18y/o who doesn't have the necessary experience, they will both kill you when they are f#%ing off.

Oh and I am 37 and I was once 18 and wrecked a RX-7, and I survived, but now days I find myself in more danger from a big pyle of flaiming rhoids that thinks that he's special due to whatever...... point is while age may make a difference in the insurance companies eyes, dead is dead so instead of constantly whining about what some 18 year old does to his car (repeat) HIS CAR, just be glad he, nor the idiot 40 y/o hit you, your wife or family. not dying is much more impportant than whether or not you win this silly argument.

PS go ahead and flame away at me.

 

Birthday:
June 25, 1987

 

OMG you caught me...lol ALMOST 18.


-Alex

 

I'm not trying to win any argument and totally agree with what you stated wich is exactly what I was trying to point out just in diffrent words I suppose.

-Alex

 

alex I wasn't aiming that at you,

I was aiming it at all of the knuckleheads who think that age makes them special. like I said I was 18 once, and I made a hell of a mess outta my first 7, (1979 SA 13b side port) and since then i have seen fully grown "idiots" do the same and worse simply becasue they think that age makes them gods gift to the driving community.

So no worries no offence intended, non taken on my part

cheers, and let the rotors spin freely!

 

i was JUST about to post that... lol

there needs to be some kind of school or training on how to properly handle FDs... seems that far too many are being destroyed.

as far as age... i know there are a few exceptions to the rule, but for the most part kids (and yes, youre a kid until you hit at least 18... unless you can prove otherwise) shouldnt have high performance vehicles as their first cars. too much temptation and alot of them tend to go into it thinking of the car as a big toy.

just my opinion

 

excellent point too

 

What you've seen doesn't exactly correlate to the national average. Me and you are but individuals among MILLIONS of citizens. We can pretend all we want, but national studies show BEYOND A DOUBT that the vast MAJORITY of accidents are within young driver's first five years of driving. That's simply a fact. There's no room for discussion on that point.

Now maybe things differ where you're at in Japan, but here in the US, that's how it is. It has a LOT to do with social status, roadway conditions, and the skills necessary to get your license. In Germany, for example, it takes MONTHS to get your license, including two driving tests in rain and snow, and the equivalent of about $5000 US. You can see though that while they drive at a MUCH higher average speed than in the US, their accident rate is considerably lower, because they are better drivers. That's simply not the case here in the US. We have too many young drivers who can get their license much too easy, and thus don't see it as a big responsibility. On top of that, we have many older drivers on the road who simply don't have good road manners, making the roadways a danger to the inexperienced. And still further is we have many affluent families who don't mind buying their child another car after he wrecks it - no questions asked. All that leaves nothing to really guide a young driver to take what he's doing seriously. It's the exact opposite: young people often feel they're invincible. I see this day in and day out in the hospital, where the majority of the drivers coming in from car accidents that weren't wearing seat belts are what? Teenagers.

Now if you want to argue that we have older drivers who are just as bad as younger drivers, sure, I'll agree w/ you there. But to say there's just as many, I think you're grossly in error. Insurance is a business of assessing risk. They wouldn't assign low risk to a high risk driver, since that would cost them dearly. And the fact remains that adults (25 and over) are considered low risk, and under 25 are in the high risk category.

As for being "on a high horse," I'm 23, I don't think I'm some super old guy who's too big to make mistakes etc etc. I was 18 not too long ago. I've been there, I've done that. I've had my fair share of close calls and reckless maneuvers. And I'll say it again - when I was 16 and 18, I was MUCH more mature and safe than my peers (simply by comparison). Yet looking back, I can see just how much improvement I've made from then, realizing that while I may have been a better driver than them, I wasn't a safe driver across the board (w/ respect to all age groups). There was still a lot of room for improvement, and there still is now. So simply said, sure, older and younger drivers can both kill you, but the chances of it being a younger driver are much greater. We're talking about the rule, not the exception to the rule.

 

All I gotta say is:

You broke it.
Now you fix it.

(the damange doesn't look *that* bad).

 

Those would be accidents where the other driver is at fault and don't apply in this situation.

 

Nooooo. I made a quantative statement, that I put total ownership on ie: From what I've seen"

didn't say anything about national averages, and just cause the insurance joints do one thing or another has no bearing on how I feel, or...... what i've seen

read my last post, notice the ownership of the statement, how it is a a statement that has been quantified as an opinion and then answer

while I am not an english teacher, I do know that when somebody says from what i've seen, that means that its an opinion, not states as fact, just an opinion.......

 

That's cool, but I was just clarifying that your opinion was not based on fact. It was based on very limited information: what YOU saw. I personally don't think it's a good idea (in general) to form opinions based solely on what you yourself can see and assess, and that implies you've seen all that needs to be seen, and that's clearly not the case with any of us. So in short, I'm simply stating that by large, as a whole, teenage/new/young drivers are much more prone to be involved in a automobile collision within their first five years of driving. That's dropping the extremes, and factoring in the statistics nationwide.

 

Thanks Rick, i am going to roll the car out when it gets nice here in chicago (not looking good) but i will get some good pics up as soon as possible, i may sell the car as is, or i might just part it out, i will let you all know when i take some better pictures of it, thanks everyone for your support, it has helped me get through this without beating myself up too much.

 

What I originally started to type prior to getting my rhoids in an uproar, was sorry to hear about the car Max, Glad to hear about no major injuries, and wrecking a car is a part of experience, you will think twice about a curve next time, and as a result you probably will not wreck your next one (at least not in the same manner )

as for the rest of it congrats on being a selfmade type, save your money get another and continue to smile when you drive her on a nice day.

PS for sled driver: my car don't have a name, But you look mighty nice in them under roos boy!

bwaaa haaaa