makes me wonder about this guy:

https://www.rx7club.com/forum/showth...hreadid=243606

 

Dude, that ain't no advice or counseling. I was just talking rhetorically..[disclaimer off].

 

The #1 advantage of the rotary is its smoothness. That it vibrates like a **** means something is seriously out of whack.

I'm having flashback of PFS v Monsen... someone give me the purple cool aid quick!

Did Rob open a vocational shop for monkeys or morons and had them build engine?

He must have decided that he could leverage his skills to a bunch of monkeys and get rich. Haha, I've seen this **** happened before. My friend had a 2 mechanic repair shop; thought he could get rich hiring illegals for $2.50 an hour (that's right $2.50 hour when he charges $50.00/hr for labor).

The greasemonkeys caused so much damage (wheels falling off car, gas tank leaking, engine throwing rods etc.) that he declared bankruptcy and closed shop.

 

well i got a copy of the warranty....it states at the top

"plain english version", i am wondering if there is a full legalise version? i also got my invoice, andy was more than happy to fax it with me

thanks andy :thumbsup:

 

If this comes to court proceedings, I'll gladly split some legal fees. I've resisted this route because I knew a lawyer would cost me a bunch of money and I might not get anything out of it. With this many people, we have a better chance to win.

Jack

 

Like myself, you are now out of core engine.

We might get to that $75,000 for federal court if we all these people. I'm out of pocket $4800 plus $1000 for core and (3) R&R's done by myself (figure another $3000).

Jack

 

All,

Probably no surprise, but I'll throw my 2 cents in.

You might think about sending a letter via certified mail to Pineapple, and Rob. In this letter, ask him to make the problem right (be specific with what you are asking), also state that if he doesn't respond by <X> date, you will be sending a copy of the letter and the problem to the better business bureau for them to investigate. This can take much less of your time, much less of your money, as well as provide each party with the opportunity to right the wrong.

If everyone in this thread that has experienced engine failure does the same thing, I would think this would provide signifigant leverage. In the event the letters made it to the BBB, red flags would probably be waiving to draw attention to the matter.

 

just got off the phone with someone having symptoms identical to chronos, he wishes to remain anonymous until he talks to rob....so i'll respect that, but maybe he'll post on here

 

Did anyone send money via the mail? That's how we got that fat bastard, Nathan Freedenberg, a few years ago when he ripped off about 20 big list members for a track day at Road Atlanta. Nathan's *** is getting pounded for the mail fraud charges he was found guilty of.


Tim

 

well, i just called my shop to see if they have my warranty for my motor from pineapple. they never got it. so they're going to have pineapple fax it over. i've got 1200 miles so far on my motor, with luckily no problems. i'm actually impressed with how strong it is with no boost. i just hope it stays together. if it does go however, i'ts not getting rebuilt by pineapple, its going to judge ito. usually its "it only takes one bad 'pine'apple to spoil the bunch," but it seems that there is more than just one.
i hope my motor is done right! (crossing fingers)

 

I made partial payment by mail

 

Fairly standard with normal coolant too.

It's the big mass of iron/aluminum radiating heat into the stagnant coolant when the car is off.

 

anyone want to give me FTP webspace to host pics? i have the warranty scanned

 

email them to vosko@optonline.net and i can host them

 

^ PM Vosko to host it. Wow, guess i'm glad I chose Mazdatrix over Pineapple for my re-rebuild. So much for my Mazda Reman'. Judge Ito is pretty respected on the other forum but he's east coast.

I had a small shop work on my Honda and the crystal meth monkey never installed the new seals with the trans. I went back every day for a week strait and five times on the last day untill I had the jack *** install new seals and he still denied fudging up. The owner is a nice guy but he will loose his business by doing more damge then repairing.

 

I can host too... beckhelm@pacbell.net

 

Man, cut your losses & take your car to Va. Beach & Let my brother fix your motor (Mr. RX7 TT on this forum). Schedule the car to stay with him for a while & he'll prioritize you. He'll fix your motor & it will pull like a freight train (like mine in my CYM

He's built over 170 motors (12As & 13Bs) for over 2 decades. He specializes in 3rd Gens.

Life is too short for this crap. Any place that calls themselves "Pineapple Racing" has got to be whacked. Its Oregon....all it does is rain there....how good can they be? My brother has NEVER had a motor come back. Maybe give him a call. Maybe he can fit you in & help a fellow rotary guy like yourself.

Good Luck!
-Matt
'88 Turbo
'93 R1 CYM

 

Good prices?

 

i do my own work on my car, just not the block- but thanks for the suggestions

talked to rob and i'm going to give him the opportunity to send the bearings off to have them analyzed and oil samples as well

he wants to be convinced of what caused this failure and we'll play this game for a while

so far racing beat is contending that their flywheel is O-K

such horse ****

 

also chronos rob said you need to contact him as soon as possible about your vibrations and anyone else who has simliar issues, the longer you drive the motors with these undiagnosed vibrations, the more damage is incurrred and the higher the bill, the more the hassle to fix it....so take care of your end and call him

 

 

Matt,
170 motors? Far more than that...

 

I've already spent $4000 with pineapple, i'm not going to spend another $X with Mr rx-7 tt, regardless

i'm stuck with dealing with my motor

 

Guys, I'm not an expert but what you're thinking of is Federal wire fraud. Wire means mail, telephone, fax, i.e., anything transmitted across state lines. But note the term fraud.

Fraud ain't that easy to prove unless the perp is Nathan Freedenberg. Here, Rob is just refusing to back up his warranty and admit liability. Ain't no fraud involved here (yet). If there ain't no fraud, 93black Fd is just using the wire to transmit money and order services.

So you're back to a basic contractual disagreement. Fed court has jurisdictional requirements that are not that easily met for a contractual dispute unless you're PFS and Monsen.

If Rob didn't build the motor then one of his employees fucked up even if the employee didn't caused the customer is usually right. Admit it, move on and save his business. If Rob built it then I don't see an excuse.

One other thing, having built 4-stroke 6 cylinder motors, I can't see from watching Turrentine rebuild video how you can **** up rebuilding a rotary if you're careful and methodical unless you're really inept.

I mean for heaven sake you got what, 2 rotors, a crank, six apex seals with springs and four side seals?

Look at a 6 cylinders: 12 valves, 18 rings, crankshaft, 6 connecting rods, rod bearings, crank bearings, wrist pins, cam journal, valve springs, keepers, timing chain.

 

If Rob is actually trying to cover his *** when he knows it was the rebuild's quality, then to me, I can see a jury finding him guilty of it. Look at the PFS/ Monsen decision...it's the same thing. You have a person who drove the engine for a couple of years and it lets go, takes Peter to court and wins....such a damn liberal court decision and pretty much society (Mass. decision on marriage, Calif. on drugs). I can see 12 jury members feeling the same way, that a shop ripped them off and ripped this plaintiff (Brian and others) and give him the win.

Tim