pomanferrari

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Ahem... Peter sued Monsen first but forgot that Monsen is aka Mongoose. Monsen counterclaimed and won.

I haven't read the decision on Mass but the court is not permitting anything ... It's that, under the law, you can't distinguish marriage b/w persons based on sexual orientation and therefore the distinction by the state is irrational and unsupportable. That is, what the court is saying is that the Commonwealth of Mass has not provided a compelling argument why same sex marriage should not be permitted: the state hasn't satisfied its burden and under the present law, same sex marriage is permitted.
The state can fix it in 2 ways, (1) come back with better arguments or (2) change the state's constitution (takes several years).

Same thing in California: not everyone is out smoking marijuana etc ... it's for medical purposes and yes people will abuse this just like any other provisions in the law.

[STEPPING ON SOAP BOX]
You can't expect courts to solve the problems of society ... the legislative branch and the citizen of this country must do it.

This is a democracy, sometimes you get radical swing one way (same sex marriage), radical swing the other way (Bush and Iraq) but hopefully the majority of the time it's in the center.
[STEPPING OFF SOAPBOX AND SLIPPING OFF IT THEREBY SUING THE SOAPBOX MANUFACTURER, RETIRING AND BUYING A DOZEN CYM RX7]

FDoringSlayer

https://www.rx7club.com/3rd-generation-specific-1993-2002-16/help-used-t-shirt-temp-air-filter-got-sucked-141942/

I just wonder who's reputation we're questioning???

Pineapple probably been around rotaries a little longer...

FD_Newb_1974

Great speculation on cases and law if they make it to court. However, let's not forget this will take TIME and MONEY for both Brian (and the plaintiffs) and Rob. It certainly has the possibility to a lose / lose situation. Litigation won't help Brian get a new engine anytime soon, and it won't help Pineapple's business.

Per my note above. I would send Rob a certified letter, stating that if a fair solution hasn't been decided upon by X date, you will be filing a complaint (along with others having problems) with the better business bureau.

In the meantime, why not let them look at your warranty and the situation. They have a lot more experience in these matters than most of us.

I doubt he wants the BBB looking at these things.

Check out www.bbb.org

93BlackFD

interesting that you have 1 post....

Tim Benton

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nicely put pomanferrari, sometimes a person, me in this case, needs a rational voice so that I can get off my society sucks and realize not everyone is a liberal:I can and should be able to do anything I want, anarchist

As far as this case though, I do indeed think that he could win if it came went to court, just like Gorden's case. Most people have been screwed or know of people who have been screwed by autoshops and might give a sympathetic ear to his case.

Tim

Spooledup300z

well i just want to add my 2cents to the who thing thats goin on.

93black fd, Go to the BBB, obviously this rob guy is giving u the run around the more time it takes the harder it is goin to be for u filling a comlpaint and actually winning.

It also appears that ur not the only 1 to get burned, so what u guys should do is file a complaint with the bbb around the sametime, strenght is in #s.

Im a mechanic and work in a shop thats had a run in with the bbb more than once because of past employes BS, and i know the bbb doesnt **** around, what the say goes as simple as that.

What u also need to look into is either finding some dependable builder closer to u, or learninig how to build your motor urself.

I hope all goes well with u guys and ur motors and for the record **** pineapple racing ******* rip offs!, I hate to see hardworking ppl get scammed and BSed around.

lata
lee

turbojeff

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Hey guys. I've met Rob and I've been to his shop, I am not a friend or employee. He is NOT a scam artist. You guys can argue how he is handling this situation and that is OK. Don't dirty a guys reputation by saying he is a scam artist.

That isn't right and it isn't fair.

I don't believe ANY engine rebuilder doesn't have a bad motor now and then. If they say they haven't ever had a bad motor they either haven't built many (like 1) or they are lying. Mazda built bad motors, Honda built bad motors, Toyota has built bad motors. They use new parts in factories that would make everyone here green with envy.

Spooledup300z

[QUOTE]Don't dirty a guys reputation by saying he is a scam artist. [QUOTE]

That isn't right and it isn't fair.

he dirtied it himself....

93BlackFD

i'm not calling him a scam artist- but if he doesn't fufill the warranty on a motor, at what point is the warranty not a scam?

i just got the motor, 1500miles on it, i think i'm a little different than some of these people who have had their motors for years...clearly when you had someone $4000, get 1500miles down the road and boom, you shouldn't owe them another penny....now the third motor you blow, then the hassle i can understand

i just want my car back, no lawsuits, no extra money, no compensation, i want my car back, i feel like i have no control and that sucks

pomanferrari

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I agree about not soiling a guy's rep by calling him a fraud or scam artist.

I never considered this to be a scam or a fraud: it's just a shopowner not doing right for his customers. Kinda glad I didn't have to go thru this hassle. Yeah, my motor may not be ported and all the reliability mods but it's running nice and strong.

pomanferrari

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For fraud or scam, you must show generally intent at the point he sold you the motor that he knew it would broke and that he never had any intention of honoring it. This only works a few times. For an operation like Pineapple to operate for years, I don't think they had every intention of selling you a shitty motor knowing that you will come back for a replacement and not honoring it.

In fact, I'm leery of very long warranty: look at Chrysler 7 year and Hyundai 10 year warranty versus Toyota, Honda and NIssan 3 year warranty. Who makes a more reliable product? The ones giving the longer warrantees?

FD_Newb_1974

Turbojeff,

Just a clarification. I don't mean to bash Pineapple by any means, I've never done any business with them.

If people feel like their "situation" is not being handled correctly, my advice is to take it to the BBB, NOT through the courts. Courts will cost Both sides time and money and will ultimately be a lose/lose, regardless of whether or not we think they can win or lose.

A certified letter to ANYONE (vendor neutral here), will give them opportunity to communicate and work out a solution. If they fail to do that, then the BBB can decide how to handle it, as they do with soo many businesses. They MAY decide an autoshop is completely fair with no liability, in which case peoples who's engines have failed will not be happy.

I guess my point was only that there may be other means to resolve things fairly, quickly, inexpensively without going to court.

I'm not an expert. I have NO idea who's guilty or free of it.

I can relate to someone who is unhappy about service and products without a means to resolve. I didn't mean to bash pineapple.

93BlackFD

well like i said, if others want to make future business decisions based on my experiences then fine, i'm not encouraging them to avoid pineapple or anything...that's their call

i'm simply saying, i can hardly think of a scenario that would be covered under warranty based on the warranty guidelines....sorta ambigous

it's like saying, "i'll cover moving parts for 5yrs.....in your cell phone"

you know? i just don't understand what i actually bought if it's going to be this big of a hassle and this long and drawn out everytime the motor fails....if he wants to send me a motor and take his time figuring out what happened to the old one, then cool...but he is worried something on my car is causing this to happen....which i still don't understand, but okay

turbojeff

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Understand I'm not saying you don't have something to talk about. I'm just stating this isn't a scam.

A scam is the F#$KER I bought a motor from last year that never gave me anything. He didn't ship a motor, he didn't give me my $$ back. I was scammed. He intentionally defrauded me.

Mr rx-7 tt

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Turbojeff,
I disagree with you...I have NEVER had an engine come back on me and I have been building engines for 20 years. (Knock on wood). I do my own work and I am extremely methodical. I build every engine like it is going in my personal car, maybe that's the difference.

I also do not believe Pineapple or Rob is scam artist. I believe he builds decent engines.
I do believe he is handling this situation badly though. He has enough money in the cost of this one warranty alone that he could rebuild the engine and take care of this guy. (cover it under warranty) He also would have still made a profit from the original $5000 in the overall big picture. Just my 02...

Tim Benton

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What power does the BBB have in decisions other than saying you ought to honor the warranty and not recommend that particular business if someone were to actually call the BBB before taking the engine to them?

Tim

Spooledup300z

they can shut a buiness down

SanJoRX7

Remember this...if no headway is being made on this issue (or any issue that calls workmanship and the integrity of the business into question) after a reasonable amount of time...in this case, no more than about a month...then there is *obviously* more to this situation than meets the eye.

If Rob over at Pineapple is such a morally upstanding guy, then this situation shouldn't last much longer. If, on the other hand, the problems are not specific to any one motor/individual, AND no progress can be made, then there is definitely cause for suspicion.

It's not a matter of opinion on this case...if the problems are NOT getting resolved something is broken, and it's only fair to warn other people about it, as well as solicit for folks that have had similar experiences to establish a pattern of deception/fraud/whatever.

Necros

What? No, they can't. The Better Business Bureau is a voluntary, member-based organization, not some government watchdog.

FD_Newb_1974

They can shut a business down the same way any of us can, if a business has poor practices.

However, they have much more experience in these matters, much more time, many more resources, and much more leverage.

No harm in trying. If nothing is done, I would recommend it prior to court.

I've had excellent experiences working with them myself.

93BlackFD

just confirmed that the rattling/tapping sound i heard when the car was idling was NOT my clutch fork, i just put my tranny and everything on a friend's FD

no vibration, no rattle....now i'm convinced that it always had bad bearings

r71

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Okay people. Here's my 2 cents.

On the warranty issue:
I'm runng a family business that's been running at the same location for over 18 years. I'm no mechanic but I used to be a mechanical engineer designing "things" for the government. I now run a auto body shop.

My warranty states that we cover any repair work for a year. I don't ask questions. If I touched it, I fix it. I also make it a No 1 priority. I put everything else aside and take care of the warranty first. At least that's how I do business. Over the years we've been here, 80 percent of my customers are repeats or referals. We do not advertise. We just do it.

On Brian:
I have a FD that I put together from scratch. No one's touched my car except for 'hitman' when he tuned it. At 17psi, I was getting 386 at the rear.

I'm trying to state that I'm not a mechanic, but I know my way around tools and I am mechanically inclined. I've gone through many employees and I can tell you, from the moment they turn a wrench or grab a sand paper, if they are going to work out.

Like everyone with an FD, my time had come. I saw Brian's post on pulling his motor in less than 3 hours. He was local and for ***** and giggles, I decided to call his bluff. When he came to my shop, he looked like a typical dorky FD owner. He proved me wrong that day. I don't know how long he's been working on cars, but he was very impressive. Like I said, no one has touched my car. Brian will be the one putting in my motor.

Lastly, I met Brian while this was going on. I want to say, even after all his frustrations and waiting, he tried to persuade me to send the motor off to pineapple. He was actually on his way to my shop to pick up the motor for shipping when I decided to go with a local builder. He's straight up. Although I'm a body shop, people still come to me to for performance mods. Just from watching him work on my car, I now sub it out all my performance work to Brian as long as he tells me he can do it. If he can't, he tells me he can't.

The reason I posted this long and boring thread was so that people won't think Brian's some kid who fucked up his car because he didn' t know what he was doing.

I'm glad I didn't send my motor to pineaple. I'm sure they build good motors, but you never know how good a company/business untill it's time to do warranty.

Sorry for the long post.

Kaotic Dan

I've been dealing with Rob at Pineapple for almost a year now, and I can tell you that so far he was given me some of the best customer service I have ever recieved. In the past he has gotten nothing but great feedback, though it sounds like he had a rough time fairly recently. I'm pretty sure that all the issues he has been having are over, and I hope he takes care of you guys well.

You have to understand that its hard to be in this bussiness, and unfortunatly 1 bad employee can bring everything down. Assuming all of you that are having problems get them resolved fairly, I hope everyone can move past this.

turbojeff

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I believe him less than 3hrs is good, he has to know what he is doing.

I took me:

1 hr and 59 min with no lift and minimal tools at someone else house with an assistant helping.

2 hrs and 30 min by myself in my garage, no lift.

Both of these were running/driving cars, time was started when the car was parked, not when it was jacked up etc.

clayne

Bad bearings in trans or engine?

I still say 90% of the rattling/rotational grinding noise at idle (clutch engaged) is a bad trans mainshaft bearing.