97FD turbo prob after warm up.
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97FD turbo prob after warm up.
I just got my car today.
It's a japanese 97' RX7 41k stock
I bought in an auction a few month ago.
When I got the car it was almost out of gas and the batery was dead.
so I went to gas station a couple of blocks from the customs docks.
filled it with gas and dropped 1/2 ounce per gallon of 2cycle oil in the tank to help lubrication since it was sitting a long time.
it was working fine, turbos were pulling awsome, I drove for about 30 minutes perfectly. Had lunch and when I got back in the car When I accelerated the boost will not go, as soon as it marked 0 on the gauge it willmake popping and backfire noises.
So I went to a garage to check it out. checked the gas filter and it was dirty. so it was changed. that took maybe 2 hours. when for a 10 minute drive and it was great again.
as soon as I left the garage the prob was back again.
so we check the gas tank and the pump. the pressure was at 40 psi and dropped to 30psi when acceleration. talk to another rx mec and he said that it was bad.
change the pump to one that was 40psi and when acc. when up to 45psi. and the prob. stayed.
Checked the hoses, reset the comp, all the same.
going to check tomorow morning if when cold works ok and then after warming goes to hell.
I'm going to change the spark plugs also tomorow.
If you have any ideas please help.
It's a japanese 97' RX7 41k stock
I bought in an auction a few month ago.
When I got the car it was almost out of gas and the batery was dead.
so I went to gas station a couple of blocks from the customs docks.
filled it with gas and dropped 1/2 ounce per gallon of 2cycle oil in the tank to help lubrication since it was sitting a long time.
it was working fine, turbos were pulling awsome, I drove for about 30 minutes perfectly. Had lunch and when I got back in the car When I accelerated the boost will not go, as soon as it marked 0 on the gauge it willmake popping and backfire noises.
So I went to a garage to check it out. checked the gas filter and it was dirty. so it was changed. that took maybe 2 hours. when for a 10 minute drive and it was great again.
as soon as I left the garage the prob was back again.
so we check the gas tank and the pump. the pressure was at 40 psi and dropped to 30psi when acceleration. talk to another rx mec and he said that it was bad.
change the pump to one that was 40psi and when acc. when up to 45psi. and the prob. stayed.
Checked the hoses, reset the comp, all the same.
going to check tomorow morning if when cold works ok and then after warming goes to hell.
I'm going to change the spark plugs also tomorow.
If you have any ideas please help.
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Perhaps your pump is picking up the oil sitting in the bootom of the tank. Its heavier than the fuel as you would know
Keep filling fuel into it & no further oil.
See what happens
Keep filling fuel into it & no further oil.
See what happens
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no more oil in the gas and drive it until the tank is empty next time its running well. run some fuel system cleaner through it. i get popping sometimes when i let off the gas after a few ups and downs through the boost range too, so as long as its not excessive (everytime and lasting for 30 seconds or so at a time) i wouldn't worry about that too much. are you positive its a stock ECU? if its not perhaps its time to replace it, if it is, perhaps its time to replace it... i don't know if these things go bad but it is electronics ya know? last thing i can think of is to have your vacuum lines checked... its intermittant so that's probably not it but you just don't know if certain scenarios can set one loose or pop air out a small crack while others work just fine. good luck man
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reset the ecu
Try resetting the ecu by disconnecting the neg. of the battery terminal and letting the car sit for 2 minutes + press on the brakes a few times. You will know its reset when the trip meter reads zero. Also, check the map sensor connected to the firewall and make sure the hose connected to it is in good shape. Be careful removing the hose if you have to since the nipple on the map sensor is plastic and very brittle. check the electrical connector on it too.
I had the same symptoms as you but it didn't go away and come back, it was constant. I'm pretty sure that there is nothing wrong with your car physically. It is most likely a bad electrical connection at the map sensor or the ecu harness.
let me know if that works...
-hrach
I had the same symptoms as you but it didn't go away and come back, it was constant. I'm pretty sure that there is nothing wrong with your car physically. It is most likely a bad electrical connection at the map sensor or the ecu harness.
let me know if that works...
-hrach
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Originally Posted by jose-rs1
I Just Looked At The Paper Work From Japan.
There Is A "certificate Of Cancelation Of Motor Vehicle Registration" Dated 2004/2/3.
So I Guess This Car Has Been Sitting Around For 10 Month.
If That Helps Any Of You With A Diagnosis.
There Is A "certificate Of Cancelation Of Motor Vehicle Registration" Dated 2004/2/3.
So I Guess This Car Has Been Sitting Around For 10 Month.
If That Helps Any Of You With A Diagnosis.
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Actually that is more like 14.2 PSI but anyhow...
Be careful, at that level I would imagine your problem could be anything from fuel cut to fuel starvation. It's possible that the double throttle control is keeping boost down just enough until the car is fully warmed so that you don't experience the probem at first. Before driving the car further with full boost I would make sure to determine the cause of that level of boost.
Also, if the car isn't set up for that level of boost, by use of at least a new computer and probably some enhancements to the fuel delivery I would worry that the engine is gonna go boom.
Be careful, at that level I would imagine your problem could be anything from fuel cut to fuel starvation. It's possible that the double throttle control is keeping boost down just enough until the car is fully warmed so that you don't experience the probem at first. Before driving the car further with full boost I would make sure to determine the cause of that level of boost.
Also, if the car isn't set up for that level of boost, by use of at least a new computer and probably some enhancements to the fuel delivery I would worry that the engine is gonna go boom.
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So, no cat, just a mid-pipe?
I would get a boost controller asap. I would also put a restrictor in place in the exhaust. Either by using a smaller diameter gasket between the exhaust/mid-pipe connection, or getting an actual cat. Even with a boost controller, you could experience boost-creep because the stock wastegate might be unable to divert enough exhaust flow away from the turbos.
Also, check the vac lines from the turbo to the wastegate/precontrol actuators and make sure they're on properly.
Above all, don't hit WOT, until you made sure it is safe to run that level of boost, or have a way to control it at a safe level (10 PSI, or maybe 12 for a 97?. I'd err on the safe side, and stick with 10).
I would get a boost controller asap. I would also put a restrictor in place in the exhaust. Either by using a smaller diameter gasket between the exhaust/mid-pipe connection, or getting an actual cat. Even with a boost controller, you could experience boost-creep because the stock wastegate might be unable to divert enough exhaust flow away from the turbos.
Also, check the vac lines from the turbo to the wastegate/precontrol actuators and make sure they're on properly.
Above all, don't hit WOT, until you made sure it is safe to run that level of boost, or have a way to control it at a safe level (10 PSI, or maybe 12 for a 97?. I'd err on the safe side, and stick with 10).
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Right heres a little one ive noticed no body point out,,, that to me sounds like a car in limp mode. See if the ECU is pulling any error codes (limp mode does exactly what you describing, wont let boost go over 0,, and causes the engine to kick back).
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yes LIMP MODE its the correct term for my prob., but this only happens when I start driving the car after is been driven a while.
when the car is cold it works fine. with a little backfire some times.
Could this be a rich or lean prob.?
The car its 1/2 tank now, I'm thinking of filling it up and running a little while to see what happens.
I have reseted the computer a couple of times and its the same.
when the car is cold it works fine. with a little backfire some times.
Could this be a rich or lean prob.?
The car its 1/2 tank now, I'm thinking of filling it up and running a little while to see what happens.
I have reseted the computer a couple of times and its the same.
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restrictor pill for wastegate
the restrictor pill for the wastegate might be clogged. when this line is closed, the boost is not vented by the wastegate...very dangerous. Based on what you said - i.e. the problem not appearing when you first start driving the car - i think whats happening is that the double throttle system is keeping your manifold boost low until the car warms up and it opens, at which point the manifold sees the full boost and the ecu cuts off at the programmed 13 psi. this may or may not be the wastegate control actuator, but its wise to check. And as mentioned by others...do not WOT if you see boost at those levels, you could easily blow the engine.
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The boost gauge was change for another that meassures in psi. the boost is going up to 20 psi. how can I lower the boost pressure?
it appears the car had another ecu and it was change back to the stock when it was sold.
I'm thinking of putting back the stock exhaust system. what else?
it appears the car had another ecu and it was change back to the stock when it was sold.
I'm thinking of putting back the stock exhaust system. what else?
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Mechanic time?
It sounds like you have a serious problem. Guessing at it without the right tools and diagnostic knowledge sounds like a slow and possibly unsuccesful process.
Throwing old parts in it doesnt sound promising unless it is the computer doing you in.
I would think that if you really went into Limp mode, there would be error codes; so you may not have been in that mode. Somebody else can verify that.
I like fallenengel's guess. Take that guess and the money you saved on the purchase to a good Rx7 mechanic and test until right problem is found. Replacement engines are expensive.
If you can't find a good Rx7 mechanic in the DR, you might find a Mazda dealer mechanic willing to moonlight on a 97, if the dealer won't touch it.
Throwing old parts in it doesnt sound promising unless it is the computer doing you in.
I would think that if you really went into Limp mode, there would be error codes; so you may not have been in that mode. Somebody else can verify that.
I like fallenengel's guess. Take that guess and the money you saved on the purchase to a good Rx7 mechanic and test until right problem is found. Replacement engines are expensive.
If you can't find a good Rx7 mechanic in the DR, you might find a Mazda dealer mechanic willing to moonlight on a 97, if the dealer won't touch it.