knightkarr

So check this out. My friend and I were having a discussion on which car was faster 0-60 time. I told him the 7 is 4.9 and that the Supra TT is 5. something, he swears that the Supra is 4.9 and almost bets that the Supra will beat the RX7 on a one-on-one. Could you guys help resolve this dilema?

brembo

according to motor trend--no.

http://www.mkiv.com/publications/mot...3/mt793_10.jpg

mightyslash

That's a piece of crap. The Supra is 0.4 sec faster in the 0-60? It outhandles the RX-7? The stopping distance of the Supra is shorter? Motor Trend was smoking crack

rynberg

Actually, I remember a funny little sidebar Motortrend had a couple of years ago. It was on the 1997 TT Supra. Their 0-60 test was in the low to mid 5s. They then stated that earlier tests were performed on cars that Toyota had intentionally made a little hotter than stock. For some reason, Motortrend didn't seem too concerned with Toyota sinking to the level of submitting a ringer.

Anyways, so what if a TT Supra can barely edge out an FD in acceleration. The FD is a subjectively better handling car, looks much better in my opinion, and is much more of a pure sport car.

Just my two cents.

brembo

haha...i thought it was strange that the supra outhandled the rx

jimlab

I wish I could bottle the denial on this forum and find some way to produce something useful from it...

How could a car weighing 600 lbs. more than the RX-7 possibly out-handle and out-accelerate the RX-7? The magazine testers were smoking crack? Toyota sent a ringer? Give me a break...

The answer is no farther away than the tires. The stock tires on the RX-7 are P225/50-16s. The stock tires on the Supra are P235/45-17s front and P255/40-17s rear. Slalom and skidpad numbers will usually be higher for a car with more rubber on the ground. Acceleration numbers too, for that matter. More tire on the pavement and a shorter sidewall give the Supra an advantage despite the weight difference.

And as far as acceleration is concerned, what's not to believe about the car with more low end torque, a broader power band, and a wider piece of rubber on the drive wheels out-accelerating the car which doesn't?

Toyota may have sent a "ringer" to the test. So what. What car manufacturer doesn't or wouldn't? If you want to ensure that you have your best foot forward when you've got only one shot in a comparison test, it'd be counterproductive not to send the best example of your product you could find. This is nothing new. But the car Toyota sent posted quarter mile numbers directly in line with the averages attained by independent owners. Interesting.

Many stock Supras put down more than they "should". My '94 put down 319.2 RWHP bone stock, and there are numerous examples in the same range. Just because the rated power is 320 does not mean that there will be some cars with more (or less) than that rated number. People assume that they will all make that much power, but simple production variances ensure that they will not. I've seen 3rd gen. RX-7s dyno anywhere from 170 RWHP stock (granted, with small problems) to 235 RWHP. Average "should" be around 215-220 RWHP to coincide with the 255 hp rating, but there will always be variations, high and low.

Sending a "ringer" is as simple as pulling aside one that makes good power during quality control testing. Maybe Mazda shouldn't have brought a knife to a gun fight?

GsrSol

It kinda looked photoshpped to me. Plus it is on MKIV website. Thats all bullshit, it also stops faster, yea right.

trigeek37

I would not consider motortrend any sort of authority. they are in my opinion, the most biased car publication out there.

Johnny

Boring...can we move on...

Supra was a well know ringer...cant blame them...

Yes the on the whole....
Supra is quicker in the 1/4mile
Would have better top speed if it was not limited
No I doesn't have better G's
Brakes are about equal

It's a solid car...and so is the 7

JoeD

SO WHAT?!? they are only numbers. who gives a ****. numbers dont tell if a car handles good or not. actually drive the cars then decide which one handles and feels better.

1bad7

martini

that magazine article ALWAYS comes out when talking about the supra and RX-7.

The fact is..those are the BEST numbers I've seen any magazine come out with for the Surpa, and the WORST numbers I've seen any magazine come out with for the RX-7...

and of course, the 3000gt is only a 1st gen, but no one seems to take that into consideration either.

but never the less, everyone seems to take it as absolute truth, no questions asked.

I'd like to see a scan of the "sidebar" that MT ran. But if "ringer" is meant, a strong running, good example of the car then I would agree with Jim.. But if "ringer" means that the car was tuned before being submitted, then there's a definite problem.

Jim Swantko

I ain't touchin this one...

Good luck Jimlab! hahaha

Splinemodel

I don't know. The Supra's I test drove felt slower. (yes, they were turbo) It's a harder car to drive. I really think the extra weight hurts it there. Actually, the E46 M3 I drove for a stint (the guy selling the Rx-7 bought one, agreed to let me take a spin) felt slower too. It was a convertible, though, so the added weight of the droptop produced a really heavy machine. Those two cars felt similar to me in terms of handling characterstics. The Rx-7 was far easier to deal with.

But I'm no race driver, so go figure.

1FAST7

stock vs. stock, supra would win. but it would be a very close race. it also depends on the driver. The rx-7 has better handling.

1FAST7

oakridgerx7

Sorry guys, but if I had the money to buy a supra, id have one. Dont get me wrong, I love the RX7, But a Supra is a hell of alot more reliable than a RX7. Ive spent a SHITLOAD of money on my FD and it still wont run(atkins rotary engine replaced twice in less than 1 wk time, first one the bearings were laying in the oil pan) They only reimbursed me $330 for the reinstallation. So ive got almost $7000 in bills for this car, and it still isnt running. I feel confident that if I bought a Supra, I wouldent have a penny more in the car.

rookie7

I respectfully disagree, the supra needs bigger tires just to compensate for its heavier weight. If you ran the supra with 255/16's it would not even be close to pulling numbers like the rx7. The fact that the supra has bigger tires only goes to show that the rx7 is a better handling car because the 7 can do the job using smaller tires. There are many more factors that influence handling, but lighter will always be better.

jspecracer7

i like skinny chicks...and light cars...give me an fd anyday...

kwikrx7

The Supra TT from all the articles I've ever read edges out the FD in most acceleration contests. In only one article did a Supra ever "outhandle" a FD (.99 Supra-.98 FD) and the FD always outbraked the Supra. Don't fool yourself, a stock Supra will run down any stock FD on the highway but a quick spurt to 60 could go either way. The 2 cars are probably the most compared 2 sports cars besides the Camaro/Mustang. They are close and slug it out usually with the Supra edging the FD out. But for more than $10K more - shouldn't it?

rx7eaven

Barry, you always bring sense to senseless discussions I always enjoy reading what you got to say.
This has been debated more than a thousand times. Yawn, *stretch*

jimlab

My '95 PEP was $37,500. My '94 Supra TT was $41,900. Where did you (and others) get the idea that the RX-7 was so much less expensive than the Supra?

Ah... from the HUGE discounts that Mazda was offering to get the cars out the door, because no one was buying them. $28-32k I've heard, for a new '94.

When we're comparing MSRP, though, the Supra wasn't much more expensive than the RX-7. The window sticker on my RX-7 was actually $41k...

But I totally agree about the Supra/RX-7 rivalry resembling that between Mustang and Camaro. Two cars too close together (at least until the introduction of the LS1 Z28) to tell which way it would go most of the time. I've always believe that the animosity RX-7 owners seem to feel for the Supra was based on the fact that it was at least an even contender despite the weight difference, and that apparently makes some people uneasy...

Flybye

The endless discussions between the RX-7 and the Supra always crack me up

More powerful or not, the facts remain. The Supra has big buggy mosquito eyes, a shopping cart wing, and an *** BIGGER than Big Momma's ***

Jim must have a fetish with big asses. He went from the Supra's big *** to a C5's big *** I dunno, but the Supra seems to have more curves's to its ***. I hope Jim doesn't mind me talking about his ladies like this

jimlab

I've got a fetish with fast. How the big the *** is doesn't really matter... the losing car is the one that has to look at it.

Jim Swantko

Well said Jim!

KINETIK_FD3S

yup!