Flying_solo

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While I had my drivetrain out for a rebuild, I decided to be proactive and do the 5th gear synchro upgrade because I did get an occasional grind before tear down. I'm using the following as a guide:

THIS IS NOT MY WRITE UP. I simply saved this for other people so DON'T contact me about the tools

When tearing down I notice from a quick visual (I don't have the bearing off yet to be sure) that the synchro looks to be identical to the new one I received from Ray. It's bronze in color like the new part. The synchro on the write up that is broken is not bronze. I do not see anything broken in my synchro and I'm now wondering if I already have the upgrade? I am the second owner of this car.

Would someone be able to affirm my suspicions? Perhaps the grind was just because I had worn engine mounts as it only happened a few times under WOT pulls.

Adam

j9fd3s

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we used to do a lot of 5th gear synchros, they are easily broken. also the color of the old one depends on the oil its been soaking in, and how long its been in there. if you notice, the inside of the trans in the pics you link isn't sparkly clean.

when you get the old one out, try to pull it apart, its more common for them to be cracked than to be broken in 3 pieces

Flying_solo

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Thanks. First thing I have to do is fab a puller. I thought the shop next door would have one, but they do not.

airjordan223

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If you've made it that far, I would just replace it. It will be an even bigger pain if you dont change it and the grinding gets worse and you have to take it out later.

Flying_solo

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My thinking as well. When I get it all out, I'll post picks so people can chime in on whether anything else looks too worn.

DaleClark

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It's really not too bad to do a synchro, I've done a few of them.

Making the puller is the hardest part, and that's not too hard. Get a regular gear puller and some long L-shaped steel stock to make extensions. I got the steel at Lowe's, no big whoop. First puller I made used flat steel, but it bent with the force applied to it. The L-shaped steel (or even box steel) is a much better choice.

There is also a spring that bolts to the tail housing that was updated with the 5th gear revision. This spring makes it harder to mis-shift into 5th gear, which is the root of the problem with the broken synchros. The new synchro can be broken again by shifting into 5th at 2nd gear redline, and that revised spring will all but eliminate that.

I've driven cars with and without the updated spring, and without it is quite easy to miss the shift into 3rd gear.

Dale

Flying_solo

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Thanks Dale. I will agree, so far the hardest part is building the puller. I actually have enjoyed the tear down. I did buy the new spring as well. I also have a garfinkel torque brace and plan to instal a trans brace. The only mis shifts going forward should be from driver error

The link in my first post made it very easy to tear down.

Adam

Flying_solo

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Well, I finally got the bearing off and down to the synchro. Sure enough it was the upgraded synchro already. However, it isn't perfect. There are ridges on the flat backside. I also noticed the bearing is a little worn and noisy. I'll go ahead and replace her.

It's hard to see the ridges in the photo, but they are there.

ricardo.benin

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Hi what spring are you guys talking about that eliminates a potential miss shift.
Thanks

Flying_solo

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I'll post a couple photos tomorrow for you

ricardo.benin

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Hi flying solo the pics would be greatly appreciated also were did you get spring also is there any other upgrades for that transmission.
Thanks

Flying_solo

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These are the only improvements I know of, but I'm far from an expert. Ray Crowe will have both if you call. Just ask for the upgraded 5th gear synchro and shift select spindle. I discovered my bearing is bad and will end up buying another tomorrow.

Here are photos of the new spindle and where the old one is. It's located on the back of the trans and you can replace it without dropping the trans.

Adam

ricardo.benin

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Hi I basically have two transmissions and it could have the improved shift select spindle but I don't know so I will take a look but the non improved shift select spindle will have no spring.
Thanks

Flying_solo

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They are very cheap, I think the spindle and synchro cost me $30

ricardo.benin

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Hi ok I will just order one then.
Thanks

airjordan223

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Make sure you check all the seals on the front and rear of the transmission while its out. Ray has them, and you might as well get everything in one order since shipping is $10 flat rate from him.

Flying_solo

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OK, so I'm pretty sad that I made a mistake and didn't catch it till the trans was back in the car. The shift select wasn't properly aligned with the rods when I put the extension housing back on. Any tips on how I get that aligned and on?

I have got the extension housing off (with the trans in the car!) and am trying to test fit and make sure I get it down before reapplying sealant. It's in neutral both the selector and the trans, but I don't see how I rotate it to align the finger with the rods.

Flying_solo

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From looking at it, do I start with the housing rotated clockwise (to the right) of the trans and turn it counter clockwise to align the finger through the opening in first and onto the alignment pins?

Flying_solo

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Got the damn thing back in. Moved the select fork forward and started from the left and rotated clockwise. A few proper curse words and a jiggle or two and it went on. I know it's going to leak after all this and make me cry, but it's back in.