artguy

and proper tuning

Xeros

Any other suggestions out there?

Mahjik

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IMO, the best suggestion is to do what Artguy has done. IMO, he has the best all-around setup on the forum.

As you can see, there are many ways to get to your goal. Many suggestions have already been made, but you are going to have to do some research on your own to decide what setup will best suit you.

BustedRX

Such as what, man? It seems your expecting someone to come along with a cheap secret formula for 400 whp. Such a thing does not exist on these cars.

All options have been exhausted.

1. You can come close on stock twins, some have even achieved your goals on stock twins.

2. BNR upgrades are certainly capable of meeting your goals.

Both of the above scenarios can be run non-sequential if you dont want the rats nest for your yearly "overhaul."

3. Custom single turbo setup.. Good luck, most who take this route find themselves spending more than a kit. That is of course unless you have some really good connections.

4. Single turbo kit setup. Easily reach 400 hp, but have the checkbook handy.

A proper turbo setup really depends on what YOU want out of it. Sequential twins are capable of moderately high numbers with little to no lag. Upgraded twins even higher hp numbers. Nonsequential twins, and small to large single turbos can vary greatly, depending what power to spool lag ratio you find acceptable.

The bottom line is, you come across sounding completely ignorant in your inquiries. All this information (and so much more) is readily available, and personally I think you should educate yourself much more before taking on a project of this magnitude.

apneablue

Gothamracing.com tunes their rebuilds for free after the break-in period of 1000 miles..

Garrett

If you are so well connected, as you say. Why don't you use all of your great connections and do this research yourself. Your questions are very basic for any car that is being heavily modified. This doesn't add up as to why you do not know this already. I think it is because you are simply a novice who is trying to act a role whose shoes you can't fill.

Pay more attention to this thread and research on others. You obviously have a lot to learn. It is very apparent that you don't know much about what you are getting into. Do your own damn research and come back with more focused and learned questions.

apneablue

Wow, take it easy dude...posts like this have a way of back firing (excuse the pun) on you...before you know it the whole forum is against you.

Yes, his questions are very basic but can still pull some additional information to the forum that hasn't been covered before. Chances of that are slim, but what the hey!

Shinobi-X

The thing is, 18-20 psi of boost is required by twin setups to make the same power a single can make at 15 psi of boost. Non. seq. is essentially mimicing a single setup anyway, but a smaller single will have less heat, and stress on the turbo, as well as more space, and less problems to diagnose. Single setups are not for everyone, but they do have clear advantages as far as big power and reliability are concerned (which should factor in if you are going for 400rwhp). If the goal is to as cheaply as possible, make big power, you run the potential problem of failure, and spending more in the long run of either scenario. It's all in attention to detail, but spending wisely (preferably once) is your best bet at spending as cheaply as possible. Look at the pros and cons for each setup, then decide.

Garrett

Yeah, I'm sure those types of posts do backfire. I have seen quite a few that did. The anticipation is killing me.

I'm thinking I shouldn't have used the word "damn".

Xeros

Garret

You say research through my connections, this a rotary car, and the people I know, don't really deal in anything more then 4 cylinder tunning, so I figure I would come "educate" myself here on the forum. This post was the same as going out to ask rotary professinal people, but getting all the responses off of one question for everyone and anyone that was intrested in putting in their own two cents of information on the subject. Yes I have the done the reseacrh on the forum and on other websites to see which turbo would suit me best. But I do not have the experience of knowing which turbo is best or how it might opperate. That is why I posted this question to see what people have to say about certain setups for a car and voice thier own personal experiences with the setups. And like the question was answered before, I did not find one solid answer becasue there are many diverse possibilities, and I think it would be easiest i people just spoke out ona favorite setup on one thread for future refrence as well. Withthe information and lists I was given, I can now also go back and do more reseaerch and compaire with other setups that I might not have considered before. Am I trying to fill some big shoes with this project? Yeah probably, so what? Have you ever ventured out of the box? So stop the hating and keep posting setups. Through these two pages alone I have already heard a lot of useful pros and cons n certain setups, so why not ask this question?

racer1

The best kit i would go for 400hp but not the cheapest one is the RX6 single turbo kit by Apexi. It's one of the fastest spooling turbo out there and will give you the numbers you want.

Kento

Yeah, for a single turbo....still laggy as hell compared to sequential, or even well-setup BNRs running non-sequential.

GoodfellaFD3S

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I'm thinking that you're referring to me Alberto........I made 368 on stock twins at 15 psi, and 376 at 15 psi on the BNRs. *But* I run the BNRs at 17 psi all day long (good for over 400), and there is a HUGE difference in acceleration. It's the area under the curve, dontchaknow

GoodfellaFD3S

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Jason and I plan on going head-to-head to determine just that......

GoodfellaFD3S

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Speaking of which, when am I going to see your smiling face ?

GoodfellaFD3S

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Maybe at the motor, not at the wheels.......

Mahjik

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Well, just because you might beat him in some runs doesn't necessarily mean your setup is better.

I like the sequential turbo system and he has a dyno curve that I would love to have. Now, if you could have your setup, but in sequential, I might change my statement.

artguy

I didnt know you could see my smiling face when yer lookin at my tail lights!! HAHAHAAHAHHA


kidding...Ill probably get smoked.

soon I hope man...soon. Im up to my ears getting my new company www.massiveblack.com up and running. My car is still at my bros til our contracts are signed. If all goes well I should have my car in about thirty days. I will head up there as soon as I get it cuz it needs bushing work and some fine tuning.


j

GoodfellaFD3S

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That website kicks ***, Jason......I like the Reservoir Dogs-style artist names too. Very clever

Garrett

Well put Xeros...you were a little sloppy there in the beginning.

GoRacer

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Put me down for $20 on ArtGuy~!

artguy

yeah....go to the catenet list of dyno sheets and compare them all...see where the power is...that will tell you a basic scenerio from which you can decide how you want to drive your car.

it all depends on what you want to do with it. if you are in the city then maybe lag is unnacceptable...even non seq lag....but if you do a lot of highway driving or straight line racing then perhaps the bnrs non seq or a single is best for you...you need to decide for yourself...what kind of car do you want to build.

my mod list adds up to almost thirty grand if you include labor and my mistakes early on. there is no cheap way out. when you hit that kind of power you will need many things or it is all lost to broken *****. hell you will barely be able to keep the tires on the road unless you get better rubber too.



tuning is everything.. EVERYTHING.



j

artguy

thanks rich....thanks goracer.