Xeros

Hey there,

So I've finally popped my engine out of the car and it is time to get cracking. The question is...I want to make 400 hp or so, I am low on cash as usual. I am obviously going to replace the stock turbos with a single. Some suggestion on which to go with would be nice or how I can put a decent kit together for about 2500 dollars. I would appreciate any other input on what I should do. I already have a down pipe. and a cat back exhuast from the previous owner. The engine has 60k miles on it. So I plan to overhaul it. While I am at it I might as well port it, what kind of porting shoudl I go with? I was thinkig something along the lines of a bridge port, but from what I read it takes its toll on the engine. So I'm not too sure on what I should go with. I've also read that I should probably get a Apex power FC and commander so the engine doesn't run lean and blow up in my face mid boost. But do I have to go with the APEX? Or can I simply settle for somethign a tad bit easier on the wallet? Like an AEM engine managment system? Or a reflashed Ecu? In other words, please feel free to compile lists of things you would do to obtain about 380-400 or so horsepower.

cavellm

I take it you haven't read the stickies at the top of this forum.

racer1

hehe man you'll need way more than what you mentioned above

A "cheap" single kit would be around $3000 maybe a custom. you'll need intercooler, fuel pump, FPR, Injectors, maybe a fuel rail, radiator, clutch, as well as a buch of other things i don't mention here.

And yes an engine managment is needed, btw AEM is more expensive than PFC, actually PFC is one of the cheapest if you compare it with the rest of stand alones, and i don't thing you can get a preprogrammed ecu like the PF or the pettit one, not sure about this.

Anyhow start searching the single turbo forum and ou'll find what you need for your "cheap" setup.

cavellm

To make 400hp at the wheels your budget will be around 5 grand or so, if not more. Depending on what setup you go with. Just remember if you build one part up on the car, everything else needs to be brought up to the same level.

You'll never stop!

jdhuegel1

How much money do you have to spend?

alberto_mg

I've seen some people up in the 376rwhp range with stock twins...

Kento

I'd say it wouldn't be a good idea to try and chintz out when building a single turbo. You need to do it right, or it's 'poof the magic motor'. You're gonna need more cash than $2500, that's for sure.

Xeros

I have more then 2500, I was simply told I could put oe together for aroud 2700, my budget is about 6k. And I know that I will need new injectors a radiotor and so on, that I havce down, i want to know what people would do for power.

rotorbrain

6k is about right. . . make sure you have a way around and dont have any bills to pay while youre building this 400hp beast. i wanted to do the same and absolutely screwed my life up. im currently having to sell my car cause i can barely make enough money to get a damn haircut. . . having to pick and choose which bills youll pay this month is absolutely brain melting.

have fun. . .

paul

Xeros

And yes I have read the stickies and I have researched, but it isn't really leading me anywhere since there is no direct answer.

Xeros

Oye, good luck with that man. And yes, my car is payed off so no worries there. And I don't buy on credit unless I have the cash to pay it all off right away.

rotorbrain

good for you. . . honestly, i have my mechanic job to pay thanks to for my current situation. . . NEVER take a commission based mechanics job. . . NEVER!!!!!!

paul

Mahjik

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Here you go:

Streetport
Haltech or PFC (your choice)
1300cc secondaries (don't need a new fuel rail)
SX Fuel Regulator
Upgraded fuel pump
FMIC
DP, MP
BNR Stage 3 Turbo rebuild
GM 3 Bar Map Sensor
Unothodox Pulley set
Ingnition amplifier (Ignition Solutions, HKS, MSD)

Don't forget about a decent clutch to hold that power.

Xeros

Wooo, nice but I want a single turbo setup, anyone else out there got a nice list like that?

rxrotary2_7

i have to disagree on this one man.
although you dont need a new fuel rail with 1300's they have been know to lead to a new motor in a bunch of cases. for the price of them, there are other options out there.


btw, the reason there is no direct answer in your searches is because there are many paths to take to get to 400. John D. from NJ made 400 on a set of stock twins.... that doesnt mean you will though.

Mahjik

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Yea, but I wonder how many of those cases are the installer's fault rather than the actual work of modifying the stock 850's.

Because of the fact that you don't have to replace/modify the rail, more people go that route so it's bound to show more problems (i.e. if you have 5 people purchase one product, but 200 purchase another... you'll see more problems with the second one just due to the fact that more people bought it).

tomaszjc7

Stage 2 BNR's could be pushing near 400hp too, with all the same setup as Mahjik listed and on a street ported motor... Anyway, Xeros... Do u realize how much of a kick in the *** a 400hp FD give you, i swear ull feel ur ***** clap against ur stomach the first time u slam the gas. The upgraded stock twin will do you just fine, I cant stand all these people that think single is the only way to get massive power? Have you ever driven in a single turbo FD, do u have any idea what 18 to 20 pounds of boost on a singel turbo FD feels like!? Your ganna end up spending all this money on a car that is just ganna RAPE the road underneathe you when you can spend less money on a car that will fullfill all your speed crazed needs with upgraded twins.

veilsidefd3

bi-state customs has a to4s kit for $2600 I bought one, not installed yet though. they are in belleville IL

tomaszjc7

-double post

Xeros

Yeah but a single turbo will simplify the engine soooo much and get rid of all those damn vacume hoses, that I do not want to deal with every winter when I over haul my car. Ad yes I knwo what a car with 400 hp feels like. And yes I do want to RAPE the groud as you say, becasue I want to enter the D1 ext year. I know it sounds lmae it sounds stupid, but yes I do have the experience, yes I have put i the time, yes this may just seem like a rediculous dream, but **** I might as well give it a **** if I have the resources, wouldn't you say?

Mahjik

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You can get the BNR's in Full Non-Seq which will do away with the rats nest and still be cheaper than a single setup.

Garrett

First of all, this is not a budget project you are talking about, it is going to cost you well over 5 thousand to do this in parts alone. You are an ignoramus to think otherwise. That $2,500 projection is ridiculous but I am sure in your scholarly attention to detail you allotted that for ONLY the price of the turbo kit alone.

I would have to disagree with needing a three bar map sensor for the 380 to 400rwhp range. The stock map sensor can allocate a fuel/ratio up to 16.7 psi of boost, then it can’t sense the pressure. Sixteen pounds of boost will be sufficient to hitting the 400 hp mark.

In my opinion, here is what you will need.

$1200+ Big Intercooler (preferably front mount)
$500 Aluminum radiator
$330 1300cc secondary injectors (my friend is making up to 400rwhp with a street port and only hitting 67% duty cycles with these things, I would rather not use them but you obviously are doing it cheep)
$110 ignition amp is not necessary but new wires and plugs would be (this is the price for the plugs and wires)
$1300 PFC (there is a world of support for this unit)
boost controller (price varies enormously)
$350 upgraded T2 clutch type lsd (if you don't get this you can only racing from a roll)
$275 Cosmo fuel pump
$330 clutch
$800-1000 full exhaust system
$2800-3300 turbo kit (go with a kit, it is a bitch to customize your own, unless you are well connected)

The total bill of bare minimum upgrades is almost exactly $8,000. You might be able to cut corners but if tag on another rebuild kit for your motor.

There you go and if I missed anything, just add it to the above total.

Garrett

Xeros

Hahaha, I liek your list man, I already have the cosmo furl pump ad the NGK plugs, I am gettin wires soon for sure, after I finish rebuildig the motor. I can get a lot of parts cheap through my shop and other shops.

artguy

dont forget at least a thousand bucks for tuning...

see my mod list...but add in the 1600s and the rail to be safe as well as a larger pump MINIMUM.

cheers


j

Black Magic

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i have a sweeet garret single for sale,GT 66 BB w/ upgraded wheels equivilant to a T-78, manifold, HKS WG, HKS 3 in DP, all charge piping included to hook up to your stock IC, SS braided oil lines with fittings, only 3500 miles on it. damn engine went south, but the turbo was un harmed
you will easily meet your 400 WHP goal with this turbo and proper fuel/tuning...